Clash for the Cash: CFC Finals: Arthur vs DressToKill

Expos : *During child birth children "crown" *He says he's mr Solo Dolo, the verses are due valentines day *Scotty locked down the battlefields to clean them up *On the statue of David, the sculpture has a small dick, dick as in D This is how you do wordplay, take notes LA This Cudi fanboys In The Pursuit Of Happiness but it's time to Guetta Grip! Cuz ironically Art ain't got no creative diss-plays so his fates indefinite! (Displays) Your bars!? Never hit! He's straight pussy so it ain't hard to tell who's styles worse The only time Arts Ever Been Crowned From His Delivery was during his Child Birth! Dress defiles herbs, KO'ed in our last meet, this guys played! So it isn't ironic Mr.Solo Ain't Getting No Love on Valentines Day!! His dick riders? I ain't phased..they probably bettin he'd serve me to..  But he couldn't have the Battlefield On Lock if he was Scotty32! He can't beat me with straight plays, so I aint scared to toss hands When it Comes To This Beef the only people sayin A-Won are BBQ sauce fans! (A1) This hoe-tells he's suite? He must be Inn-sane! So forfeit  I'll put Arts Face Inside A Box just to show Him His Poor-Traits! (Portrait My battle styles morbid, I'm like a nazi regime verbally So I'll down whatever Ale put on the table like Like Beerfest In Germany (A'll) Art Murder, Me!? I KO'ed his ass last time to prove this lame ain't hard His threats? No one values what A-Says, like they were low in a Game Of Cards Champion? He can't maintain the part cuz I'm slapping him faceless The only time D's inferior to art is on the statue on David! You ain't shit kid.. DressToKill! Y'all heard of me! Arthur simply cannot advance.. Cuz Art Couldn't Be Above My Ass if I had a fucking Tramp Stamp!

Fuck it, I'll get in early...first to 7, no point being shy...

Art - I liked that you consistently attacked him, you got shots off in your filler lines constantly but you have a case of the "appendaged multis" which I really don't like, you'd make your lines a lot crisper if you just took them out and focused on the main content of the verse...opener I honestly thought was just about ok for this battle...the 'up and cummin' is pretty basic wordplay and I know you personalised it, but really I think you had a better potential diss with that photo you found of him...you went from solid jab to ok punch when you could've maybe reworked that to go jab smash hit. Next filler was pretty dope, dated but it played, those adding in multis are fucking me off though, adds nothing to the flow of the line or the Impact of the punch, you need to just take them out. Bounty Hunter concept was awesome, and see you continued with the kill plays...only thing on this one is I think you could've reworked the setup to be a bit slicker, like "you ain't see the law give Cash for a kill"...your way seemed to crowbar in he Kill aspect ever so slightly. That is hypercritical town though, as I thought it was a really clever punch...we're talking about separating a dope punch into a killer punch...designer weaponry was savage, I liked the main punch as well, but really you needed to explain that you thought Woods was weak in your punchline rather than the tame "never better me", it could've been more cohesive...it works because the hit is implied, but you want to be explicit as fuck on that type of one...like you're trying to undermine his status on this type of one, be ruthless...another one where I thought it was good but could've been great with better wording. Dialled it up on the next set, brutal set of hits...would've liked the lines to be shorter...you kind of ended up with two very good hits in two long lines whereas you could've put them into 4 shorter but knock out type lines. That would also help you get over the whole "I've written a set of punchlines, here they are" type of vibe you get when you read one of your drops, whereas it should be "here's a cohesive battle verse"...next punch was absolutely savage, kill count 100...boom!! Next one was a dope personal well worked, really liked the Josh you a sellout play, dope! You're really picking it up in this middle section tbh...lol @ man in dress, cool filler shot...the bald punch was just ok in my view...I liked the simile, but I think you could've made a joke out of the heir to the crown since this is a title shot too..and to me that kind of highlights that you haven't made any champion based punches at him in the verse so far...yeah, attack your opponent, but play on the context of the battle as well...dress TuTu was slick...I liked the diss on his crew stats, multi at the start annoyed me a bit...essentially I think it's another one where I liked the punch but I think you could've transitioned to it in a lot less syllables and made it a more compact and slicker hit. Next one, still unsure of...I liked the filler that you brought up the last battle, but you didn't really iron clad say it was a bitch move (& he points out he KO'd you in that battle)...you really needed to do more to discredit that punch of his with that, it's an obvious hit coming your way...and the actual wordplay itself, I think it's really fucking clever...even integrates his actual job, but, I'm not sure the diss is that great...i think you probably got involved in the quality of the play without thinking about does it actually land...vent over Art, it's dubious if you ask me...I had it down as a jab because of that. Closer, I liked the dock riding punch, the main punch I think is ok...again, I really like the wordplay, but you've got to set it up stronger than that...whys he gonna become solo? Really you gotta mention his crew and how they're gonna be ashamed of him fucking up again or something like that to ensure that's as effective as it can be...so it's good, but not amazing.

Overall, punch wise, I thought you really brought it...good range in your plays, although generally the only minor criticism is that nobody really calls him kill, so that undermines those a tiny bit (but equally, fuck it, it's an abbreviation of his name...end of the days he's called DressToKill not Dress so it's valid enough)...really I think the difference between this being a really good verse (which it was) and an absolute fire verse was in the wording and setups of your punches...for me you didn't maximise he ammunition you had by being a bit sloppy or formulaic about the way you approached your constructs...you know how to punch, but you've got to put the same focus on how you construct your entire verse...if it didn't make a difference to the impact of the final punch then we wouldn't bother rhyming or setting up punches in the first place would we? Would just be a series of insults...it's a 20 line battle, not a 20 insults battle.

That said, you didn't disgrace yourself in the punching side & you ultimately did bring an awful lot of heat I thought... a lot more personal than I've seen you get against past opponents, that's to your credit.

Dress - I didn't like that first punch...the wordplay was clever (Art/ no creative displays) but your punch is saying his fate is unsure....but surely the point would be if he's gonna punch shit then he's definitely going to lose? Seemed a bit strange to me...and the diss itself partially undermined by his drop with a whole load of dope plays in (in the same way your punch about KOing him in your last battle undermined one of his)...next one was cool, I liked that it referenced the title shot early on, downside is that ultimately it's a generic wordplay concept & probably not a great time to use a generic wordplay after a punch where you've dissed his wordplay!! On positive side, your flow is a lot sharper than his...it's accentuating and delivering your punches better than Art so far. So yeah, ultimately this was an ok punch in the context of a high profile battle. Next one was cool, I think it was quite similar to another one of Arts where you tried to squeeze two good concepts into one set...personally I think the Solo/Valentines was more filler/jab type material and the KO you the last time was a better diss/punch to throw...but, I liked that you referenced the Valentines thing so you get creativity points on top of the decent punch...next one was disappointing for me, was just a generic shot...it's ok but for this level of battle it's poor. He has a good battle record & this is a tourney so the battlefield is to some extent irrelevant anyway. I don't like that you've dropped two generic punches out of 4 so far either. Next punch was really good, we don't have A1 sauce in UK so it's not as immediately impactful but you kind of get it anyway from the way you present it...only real thing I'd say against it is it is a little cheesy as a concept...beef/BBQ & the one/won are all pretty basic wordplay wise...so I guess it's really equivalent to his pornography punch in that regard. Next one I thought was good but could've been great...hotel plays were cool but ultimately I didn't see what they had to do with the main punch? So kind of pointless, poor-traits was borderline as a breakdown wordplay but really the problem was I didn't think the setup worked. Surely it's face inside a frame? Don't get why you said box unless you meant box as in coffin, but then whys it face apart from to force it into the poor-traits play? So yeah, think the breakdown play was dope but you kind of weakened it with your setup into it....next one was cool, concept was a bit too similar to the A1 for my liking but it was a good shot. Next one, this was better use of the filler to diss him for the last battle, but it's kind of weakened because you're replaying it later in the verse & I thought this was a pretty weak spin off your A plays & it's the third of the battle...but this time I'm bored with them. I thought this one was sloppily executed as well. Statue of David, decent idea, see what you were getting at but your "inferior to Art" diss didn't really work in the context of the play...didn't really work. I didn't really like the closer either, diss was pretty contrived just for the basis of the wordplay...but equally, guess it shows he missed an opportunity to do a tattoo punch against you!!

Overall - ironically considering your opening salvo, I think Art actually did a better job of out word playing you which kind of left you in a difficult position...you had some good material in here, but I think the critical part was that where you were good you didn't maximise that to land killer blows, where you were below standard you dropped some generic bars and actually if you look back I don't think you had the same variety of personalised attacks against him...your best two ideas were the poor-traits & the creative diss-plays and you didn't make them land like you could've done.

So looking back...I think you have to say first off that Dress did a much better job of writing a slick/fluid verse than Arthur did. His approach is to write a series of individual punchlines. As I kind of said at the end of Dress's feedback, I think he maybe got a bit outfoxed in that regard...he tried to go down the wordplay avenue and in my view really got beaten at his own game by Art. Even with his wording issues, Art brought a much greater variety of more complex wordplays than Dress managed to make land. Interestingly, I thought the only really great punch of the battle was the "kill count 100" by Art...there were a whole bunch that could've been, but needed to be sharpened up. I think you add in the fact that Dress brought a couple of generic punches to the party, 3 quite similar initial based nameflips then he really lacked the overall punch weight that he needed to come back and take this one from Art in my view. I don't see it as a landslide, but I just think Art had a little more strength and depth in his concepts and a bit more consistency in landed heavier punches (even if many of them could've been tweaked to be even stronger) than Dress did so that's why my...

Vote = Arthur

Wow fellas.....I mean wow! This final was all that it was cracked up to be!
you two totally shitted on eachother.....I fuck'n luv it!! IMO, both verses
Had their own highlights.....for example...

ART.....

Kill DressTo, type of chump to write angry disses then join the same crew that Vexxed You?

That's Wet Dude, and when you hear Josh You A Sellout it's not Christian Bands fillin Venues (Joshua)


Art shootin Takedowns, wouldn't see the Man in Dress in a fucking Gay Town

I Slay Clowns, and we all see the Hair Loss like Coursing with hungry Greyhounds (Hare)

These were my favorite lines from you....you had better personals in the verse...but this shit was hilarious!

DTK....


But he couldn't have the Battlefield On Lock!
He can't beat me with straight plays, so I aint scared to toss hands
When it Comes To This Beef the only people sayin A-Won are BBQ sauce fans! (A1)
This hoe-tells he's suite? He must be Inn-sane! So forfeit 
I'll put Arts Face Inside A BoxHim His Poor-Traits! (Portrait

Had me roll'n, great punches, hit hard IMO

I cant say one verse is better than the other, you two dropped sum fuck'n BOMBS! For me it came down to preference and I like DTK'S verse a little better...I thought his set ups and punchlines had a little more behind them. Not saying Art's punches weren't heavy....I just preferred DTK'S.

MVGT DTK.....gud luck fellas,
Best battle of the tourney

Sorry if this is not as detailed as eveyone elses but i had my vote deleted 2 times before i could post it  because of my comp..dont like it dont count it fuck this comp...

Art:  To be honest wasnt really feeling you opening bar.  the picture was funny but pictures shouldnt win battles.  the concept wasnt all that hard hitting as a punch.  I liked the bounty hunter play that was cool.  But I'm looking for some personals.  I loved the hacksaw reference that was killer....ok now the personals are here lol.  another dress play for ya next bar.  To me it seems a bit repetitive.  The silence of the lambs was cool as was the call of duty line.  wasnt feeling the titu line too much either...I did like the hydraulics line tho it was a cool way to end it.

DTK:  I thought you would have opened up with a better punch to be honest.  but you killed it with the follow up bar with the art never been crowned line.  dope shit.  you should have went off more about how you ko'd him before.  those always make for more personals.  the mister solo line was hilarious I thought.  very nice reference.  Then the dick riders line followed with the battlefields and scotty32..flawless I thought..very nice.  I did not care for the poor traits line at all.  I feel like it was done before.  You followed up with another bar which was ok but then you had that lame aint hard game of cards bar and damn...that I was feeling..hard hit rite there.  and lol @ the tramp stamp line

MVGT: DTK   bottom line is I just thought his punches were harder hitting then Arts....close battle thanks for a dope read and congrats to both of you for making it this far

had to do a bar by bar fellas.... good battle sorry i finally got time to drop a vote.

Arthur

Art:
1. Decent opener, wasn't massively hard hitting though 6/10
2. Better bar, solid rhyming and references 8/10
3. I like the ideas, but I feel that you could've executed them better really 6/10
4. Good set up, punch wasn't too good. The reference came off a little sloppy 5/10
5. A little better here, though you're using the 'only time we'll see' set up a little too much 6/10
6. I like the bar, clever biblical reference tied in too 7/10
7. Average again, a lot of the punches are clever but lack any real impact 5/10
8. Much better, personal and more attacking than the bars that could apply to anyone 8/10
9. Not bad, but again wasn't really a hard hitting bar 7/10
10. Solid closer 7/10
Total: 65/100

DTK:
1. Decent set up, the punch wasn't really there with it though 5/10
2. A lot better than your first bar, creative and a good punch 8/10
3. Ehh got the reference but wasn't really a great punch 5/10
4. Again not bad, but it's a bar you could use on anybody really 5/10
5. A bit better, nice little word play in there 6/10
6. I liked this bar, clever and a good punch 8/10
7. Not as good as your past two bars, but again not awful 5/10
8. Again, nothing really special with this bar 5/10
9. Not bad, though again nothing really stand out 6/10
10. Ehhh didn't really feel this, and the rhyme seemed forced to me 4/10
Total: 57/100

Was a good battle, I think what ultimately set you apart were a few slips from DTK in terms of the actual punchline. You both went for more of a creative verse, than going out to really be hard hitting. I think though D, you played into Art's hands. He's very good with those types of verses, whereas you're very good with a more direct approach. It's commendable you tried to beat him at his own game, but for me Art just had the more consistently good punches.

MVGT/ Arthur