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-Orion-
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Posted: 07 August 2017 at 9:48pm |
So I was chatting to the underbOss of these here parts
And I had a thought Borne partially out the fact I like boxing Also outta the fact I like battling And also outta the fact the member status names besides newbie vet and mod are just terrible...(those being, 'groupie', 'standard member' and 'superior member') So My proposal was new categories and belts for certain categories (the ones in bold):
Take a look and see what category you'd fall in... In a nutshell, it's not massively different to the current setup - just there is one extra category created which separates people at a slightly higher level, and we lose the current names... (I kept the names just to the stars for simplicity, but you could try like bronze silver gold plat, lightweight middleweight cruiserweight heavyweight...whatever...anything is better than Groupie/Standard Member/Superior Member) Now in terms of the belts...I had in mind text battling logically, tho it can apply to anything if there are enough eligible contenders...and topical activity is big on the site...but anyway In this scenario, the main text title still exists and anyone can hold it or challenge for it as is currently the case. So you could conceivably hold two of them at once But if you pass from one category to the next while holding a belt, you vacate it Pros:
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So... I'm not sure Cubes is sold. And knowing scooter like a brother as I do, he probably won't be sold either. But I was told to put it to the people...so I have. I dunno what margin of poll victory/enthusiasm/exclamation points used will be sufficient to get the regime to go along with it but hey...vOte up and let's see what happens. Ask if not clear on anything... (Vote yes so Cuba scooter and the mods gotta do more shit) (If I've just wasted my time writing this shit there will be blOOd...)
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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Neek
Site Moderator Super Mario Slaughterer Joined: 05 October 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3862 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 3-1-0 Form: LWWW |
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I like it, keeps people battling in their 'league' so to speak. none of this newbie killer of the week shit. bravo sir.
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#Bananas
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-Orion-
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Tbf I don't think it means you can't battle outta your 'weight'...I didn't specify that part...it just means there's more incentive/rivalry to battle within your weight
You can't retract your Yes now tho... I want the regime to know I got one up on them already
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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Rutter knows best
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I like the idea. If it could squeeze any enthusiasm from the members that would be great. Apart from like you said it making chatty patty's sound like they are able to fight. I suppose the formula of this working is enthusiasm of the members divided by how much work goes into it for scoot. It would be great if you could do it based off record, but with topicals and stuff that just complicates it
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#bananas
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Neek
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I know you aint been around for awhile, but you should know..my modsquad homies got no problems deleting threads. #ModCorruption.
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#Bananas
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-Orion-
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Yeah it is interesting doing it by records...
I'm not sure how much topicals are the issue there, I would say more that:
Hence this way, while not quite as cool from an ideal perspective, makes much more sense practically I think Anyway I count that as two yesses, plus my yes Bringing down the regime
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-Orion-
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@Flame
I get the idea behind doing it off battle records - and that would be better - but for the reasons listed above, I don't think it works on LA. Partly because of the development work that would have to go into it and partly because in pure data terms, the battle record on this site are a mixture of ridiculously disparate (me, Frank White) to ridiculously close together
So my take is...why not significantly improve it if you can? And I don't personally think it's worth over-thinking battles vs posts. I agree battles would be better, but we all know the battle rankings aren't fully representative either, and there's nothing wrong with a little disparity in weight classes... to continue the boxing analogy, your weight class doesn't define your calibre - the greatest boxers in the world right now are middleweights... And to switch to a basketball analogy... you could (albeit not often) come in as a rookie or sophomore in the NBA and be an All-Star...equally you'll have journeymen been in the league 10 years and nowhere near the class of a rookie but they're still a veteran. I think there's still a logic to it. The stars reward site activity/loyalty (like they do already) but also create extra layers of competition. It's not supposed to create a ranking system...the battle rankings are the ranking system |
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Crimson Juice
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OK,well i'm a mod and i've voted yes,i remember when i first came here i was posting
like a mad man to get rid of that ridiculous groupie tag,although in truth i'm 90% to this idea,the draw back for me is the creating of a club/stay in your lane vibe that comes with it,i don't like putting ppl in categories it's very English,but I get the reasoning it carry's,plus in truth me personally i would go that extra mile updating stats whatever it takes to make my LA better i would do, (for Rut's and Co,after a walk through that is..lol..private joke)..peace. |
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Thanks for your thoguhts. I see what you mean about categorising people, but I don't think it's any different than current setup in that regard, except the belts...and remember while THOSE belts might be 'exclusive' to that weight class (aka the club), the main text title can be held by and challenged for by anyone (as remains the case currently)...so if somebody shit hot joins the site and wins their first 10 battles but has only posted 60 times but challenges for the main text title, presuming the title holder says yes, then it's a battle, even tho at that stage they'd be 1 star
I think it has the benefits of the 'club' mentality (more competition, activity) without the downside of segregation Anyway, keep 'em coming
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The Law
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I don't have time at the moment to really look into it and give my feedback on it.
But definitely an A+ idea. I'll give it thorough look over and add input when I get a min to do it.
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Sky Scrapur
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It's a 'yes' from me.
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Cuba
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If there's interest in any idea I'm willing to try it...think we've shown we're prepared to give ideas a chance and keep the ones which work & we axe the ones which don't.
We just need to give some thought to the star rankinga and what the thresholds would be & what would the new names be. I know this idea started in boxing but not sure I'm fully bought into calling people "lightweights" when they first come through the door as it just doesn't feel like the right message. Obviously groupie is probably worse still, but yeah, in principle I like the idea. In practice we've always tried to limit the belts as there isn't a great deal of competition for them anyway. I would be interested how we think we'd create more battles under these banners. |
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I pushed for spit for rank here after seeing it in action on another forum
One of the reasons it didn't work here is because it coincided with a drop-off in activity in battling and activity amongst mods, whereas the place I saw it work was much more active than this I do think it's a nice enough concept but I can see why it's not worth reinstating, for the same reasons it failed here the first time it was tried I'm not saying either the boxing or NBA analogies are right on the money - there's no perfect analogy really because what we're proposing is entirely different... There are just elements of the systems in those particular sports that you can look at I get your logic behind being either totally systemised or totally arbitrary but I don't see post count as being totally arbitrary. It's not as optimal as spit for rank or by battle record, but those are both impractical due to the nature of LA. So on post count: ultimately, it's what we want out of people (more posts, more loyal/returning members) and so encouraging progression in that nature is one thing, and encouraging a level of progression in your skill level along the way is a nice complement to that. Some people like Kay B have the most posts here, aren't the best battler or even close, and don't care whatsoever, and that's OK. Not everyone has to conform, or get involved, it's just a nice added layer to bring about all the pros I mentioned in my first post @Cubes - I see what you mean about the names which is why if it was up to me I wouldn't overthink it at all and just let the stars do the talking by themselves. So there are levels that come with a title (newbie, vet, mod) and then there are just star levels by points/posts. Don't need titles necessarily. Be weird at first maybe but you'd get used to it. If anything the boxing and similar analogies are good to avoid if poss, as these would be membership groups first and foremost, with a side benefit of being battling levels...but yeah stars wins for me. 1 Star champ, 2 Star title match, vacated the 3 star title, undisputed 4 star and text title champ... ...one thing is with these separate titles, the main one might need a slightly jazzier name. 'World' text champ? 'Ultimate' text champ? Suggestions on a postcard Nice to see the idea being scrutinised but generally being voted for Be good to hear from more people
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hanGing
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Didn't we have this before to some degree - Mainly terribly ran and biased (I was put in the mid tier - cunts)..
If done right - it'll work. I'd add more - but I'm sure I have a yearly word limit.
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Cuba
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So I thought of an idea off the back of this...
We have 5 star groups. 5 stars = Veterans/Mods 4 stars = Street Team 1-3 stars = Minions Here's my idea. We change the 4 star group to a "heavyweights" or "most feared" type group. We have a vote on who should go in, with limited places available and then you can only challenge for the main titles (i.e. all we have today, possibly minus Battle Royale and/or Tag) if you are in that group. You can get in that group by EITHER winning a tournament or event (e.g. 1-2 punch league, OM King) OR by calling out that guy for a battle & winning. If a person turns down or avoids 3 challenges (for any battle) they vacate their position. We could then create a "cruiserweight" belt that can be won by people in the 1/2/3 star groups...but the catch is, you can challenge for that belt in ANY format. In other words, it ain't a straight battle belt or a topical belt it's anything you want it to be. We could call it the Iron Man belt. And if you want to go into the 4 star group you have to vacate. We could even do a Topical Twist style battle league where the more you battle the more points you get & have a bigger claim to a Iron Man challenge if/when it gets vacated. |
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