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    Posted: 17 August 2010 at 3:38pm

rules=eh. unlim bars, O spits first, no time limit, any body can vote just please explain it, pink slips if you want O, just say it.

VERITAS check.
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And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee...



There's only one gOd
It's true that I am flawless
While you're just Dr Seuss if we let him loose with a thesaurus
kos's daddy said to 'be the best'
But Father taught him to suck
Religion 1, fam 0
But do we even give a fuck?
Since you revealed you survived Katrina
It's funny that . . .
All the donors been callin' in
They want their money back
That whole 'james' verse was an atrocity
Now you're Tiger Woods
Without the cash, talent or pussy
And a worse apology
Inferiority complex
Constantly obsessed
I'm this faggot's idol
Loves my rank
Even put me first in the battle title
I was baffled by you
The way you insanely boasting
Wait . . . he works for a nuthouse
Don't that just explain the whole thing?!
A nuthouse
That's how this fuck is measured
He phone battles the retards just to up his record
But who agreed to pinkslips?
kosmosis did
Now when you lose
You must obey the gOd's commandments
kos Moses did
You're wacker than the co-worker you signed up to ride you
And ya 'vocab rap' style is even faker than ya IQ
To find proof?
It ain't hard, if I'm honest
'Cuz you so fuckin' stupid you named yourself after a Goddess
You thought you were smart
You thought 'I'm the truth'
But you faker than every personal you've ever tried to use
Now it's time to lose
james murphy gon' cry and boo
So fuckin' stupid
But at least you dyin' true by ya Irish roots
It's typical Kosmo
Meanin' every time you try an' spit
You're obsessed writin' 'bout gettin' O
But only stupid bitches buyin' it
And ya writtens ain't a threat and
You got no soul
But we'll still call james Brown 'cuz I'm shittin' on a dead man
Why you say no time limit?
Tryna switch rules?
Bitch move
I dare you to take forever
'Cuz I know you'll still lose
Plus you wanna talk me outta slips
Don't wanna see the pink
Scared of bein' banished
Damn, what would Jesus think?
Three PMs and an email
Spyin' on me, he failed
Harassin' Cuba, Cali, Stalin, scooter for my details
But this fuck isn't gonna win
Full of more fake intelligence than his beloved Republican government
Fuckin' pathetic
You a dour bitch
You got a house and kids
But it's Murphy's Law
None of it will amount to shit
Ya Call of Duty's to ya church and online fantasies
And so ya wife'll play hers out gettin' smashed in every cavity
Ya kids won't ever speak of daddy
Embarrassment too frequent
They'll go back to Father just to get the treatment
Crunch time
You're just a little bluffer
You just can't deliver
Like your mother when she killed your brother
And when she cried they were tears of joy
A stunnin' truth
She'd saved herself and the world from another one of you
She's stuck with you though
But I'm takin' care of that
And if she was on LA
I know she'd be sayin' thanks



You're welcome
. . . Now who said they fuckin' with me?
They just said that FUCKIN' with me
They didn't mean it
Nah . . .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 4:34pm
Die.
 
so gOd is a nerdy asian kid with sickle cell? well now i'm an athiest
 
punch your face till we can't tell which of your slanted eyes i made laziest
 
you fucking suck, and that verse proves it, now it's got your dick riders cursing...
 
cuz that trash proved Rameez and Orion is actually the same person!
 
i beat you to a pulp ,  cuz your lines were all fiction:
 
shit even chain did a better job of dissing a christian!
 
i called him out, but got stuck with the veteran's curse:
 
Feeling like Scott Pilgrim, had to battle his boyfriend's ahead of him first!!
 
obvious this faggot is shook, my raw style is what he likes:
 
THE PROOF IS HIS WHOLE VERSE IS ONLY MY OPEN MICS!!!
 
i gave you all the chance in the world, but you still  proved unable:
 
you fail, like thinking renegaydes will ever get signed to a major label (lames)
 
                                     wanna battle?
 
the TRUTH IS  I was the champ while you still had a rookie spit
 
VERITAS makes this chink flip when i hand him his pink slip!
 
that drop was pure shit, and I ain't even tryna bring sway:
 
I can't believe this is the same guy who used to beat King J!!!?
 
you missed me with eighty lines of shitty format:
 
shatter the glass ceiling, now you know where the floors at!
 
you think your too good, but you ain't active, just an anonymous troller:
 
VERITAS is far colder, with these punches all up in his grill like a molar!
 
my skill is bolder, fuck complexity, I bring your pain simply:
 
this bitch is named after a belt and he still couldn't whip me!!
 
i had to wait four months for shit, like i just watched a bear wake up from hibernation:
 
MOTHERFUCKER HOW CAN YOU BE NAMED AFTER A STAR AND STILL NEED ELEVATION???
 
smash your face in, replace the space you fake in, when i retire this coward
 
the "comfort zone terrorist" , how i left your stories twin towered!
 
this is slaughter, the discerning voter will see how this ain't even a contest:
 
for the record, when i said any of the top ten, what i meant was the best! (u suck.)
 
you want another chance? well not on lyrical assault, taking back the mojo i loaned you...
 
now you will always remember that it was JAMES MURPHY who fucking owned you!
 
i aint gotta talk to his buddies to get the information on this disgrace.....
 
cuz only one ugly motherfucker wouldn't post his face on myspace!!!
 
your verse should have rode on a float making it's gay pride march...
 
LOL.....maybe you should have left in all the J5 parts !!?
 
when i said "remember the future"  I already knew at first you'd duck:
 
been waiting for this moment to reveal how i already knew your verse would suck
 
what a letdown:  go back to the beginning, see if I dont make you a believer:
 
"IF THAT IS VERITAS, THEN HE AINT A SON EITHER!!!"  (his own words giving me props)
 
you really think i would pm those guys to get the truth? bitch i am a mastermind controller
 
remember the old saying:  keep your friends close, but your MSN-emies closer!! (right?)
 
i was big upping in my open mics, and of course, i knew you'd bite....
 
IF THIS FAGGOT NEVER BATTLES, HOW CAN HE BE RELEVENT UP ON A BATTLE SITE??
 
these irish eyes were smiling when i saw your verse, like did you even re"hearse" it first???
 
all it had me saying was, "what the fuck? were our ranks reversed!!!?"
 
this is murder.  my punches are "ironically" fatal, as I-kontinue to be illa with this son....
 
SHIT, EVEN KING JEHU IS BETTER THEN u, SO EASY TO BRING 5 TO 1 (kill)
 
in closing, i dont want to be the new star, i just dont want the site to vote wack....
 
becuase i just made "orion the hunter for a new site to post at".......bitch go pack.
 
no...YOUR welcome.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 4:59pm
FUCK.
seriously. fuck.
I'll vote on this in while, I need to get my head round this
you come at the king, you best not miss.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 5:14pm
Ok, I'd loveto break this down line for line but obviously there's a shit load of bars so I'm not gonna bother.

Orion - There were some true murderous parts to this verse. I wasn't sure how well you'd come in this battle being rusty and obviously knowing how much time you worked on it. Flow was ok for the most part, got choppy at times, for a text battle though I don't think it matters too much. Opener was good, liked the James Brown punch too. My fav lines though were the "kos Moses did" line, that actually had me laughing and obviously the "You failed to deliver" line, which was absolutley beastly, 2's status, although this time I feel you were justified in using a line like that. Could have ended stronger after the bar you set with the "Failed to deliver" line but was overall pretty impressed. I could go on about more of the bars which impressed me and which didn't but I don't wanna write a vote longer than the verses.

Kosmosis - I actually really liked your opener, HOWEVER, as has been said to you before by the man himself and I can also confirm this, he isn't Chinese, therefore to me personally all of you're Chinese punchlines missed for me cause it's just like a fake personal. I also felt you spent a large amount of time just saying that Orions verse was shit, which as a one off filler 'personal' you can maybe get away with, but you did this numerous times and as I liked his verse I also felt this didn't hit. Closer was decent, but overall I felt there was too many misses or just generally weak punchlines.


In closing, a battle that didn't quite live up to the hype for me. I thought it ended up pretty one sided and was expecting a lot more from Kos considering how much he's been bigging himself up over the past months. So, my vote goes to Orion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 6:21pm

O

There's only one gOd
It's true that I am flawless
While you're just Dr Seuss if we let him loose with a thesaurus
Decent OPener, Nothin' Great

kos's daddy said to 'be the best'
But Father taught him to suck
Religion 1, fam 0
But do we even give a fuck?
Decent Personal
 

Since you revealed you survived Katrina
It's funny that . . .
All the donors been callin' in
They want their money back

Decent Line
 
That whole 'james' verse was an atrocity
Now you're Tiger Woods
Without the cash, talent or pussy
And a worse apology
Nice Flow And Punch
 
Inferiority complex
Constantly obsessed
I'm this faggot's idol
Loves my rank
Even put me first in the battle title
Again Nice Flow Set Up And Punch
 

I was baffled by you
The way you insanely boasting
Wait . . . he works for a nuthouse
Don't that just explain the whole thing?!

Nice Personal

A nuthouse
That's how this fuck is measured
He phone battles the retards just to up his record
Nice Again
 
But who agreed to pinkslips?
kosmosis did
Now when you lose
You must obey the gOd's commandments
kos Moses did
Fuckin' Sick Good Flow, Killer Punch/NamePlay
 
You're wacker than the co-worker you signed up to ride you
And ya 'vocab rap' style is even faker than ya IQ
Nice Personal
 

To find proof?
It ain't hard, if I'm honest
'Cuz you so fuckin' stupid you named yourself after a Goddess
You thought you were smart
You thought 'I'm the truth'
But you faker than every personal you've ever tried to use
Now it's time to lose
Nice and Good Flow

james murphy gon' cry and boo
So fuckin' stupid
But at least you dyin' true by ya Irish roots
It's typical Kosmo
Meanin' every time you try an' spit
You're obsessed writin' 'bout gettin' O
But only stupid bitches buyin' it
Again Nice Flow And Good Hit

And ya writtens ain't a threat and
You got no soul
But we'll still call james Brown 'cuz I'm shittin' on a dead man
LOL Nice Shit

 
Tryna switch rules?
Bitch move
I dare you to take forever
'Cuz I know you'll still lose
SoSo, Some-What Filler
 

Plus you wanna talk me outta slips
Don't wanna see the pink
Scared of bein' banished
Damn, what would Jesus think?

lol nice

Three PMs and an email
Spyin' on me, he failed
Harassin' Cuba, Cali, Stalin, scooter for my details
Nice
 

But this fuck isn't gonna win
Full of more fake intelligence than his beloved Republican government
Fuckin' pathetic

Decent

You a dour bitch
You got a house and kids
But it's Murphy's Law
None of it will amount to shit
Nice
 
Ya Call of Duty's to ya church and online fantasies
And so ya wife'll play hers out gettin' smashed in every cavity
Ya kids won't ever speak of daddy
Nice
 
Embarrassment too frequent
They'll go back to Father just to get the treatment
Decent Personal
 

Crunch time
You're just a little bluffer
You just can't deliver
Like your mother when she killed your brother
Very Nice

And when she cried they were tears of joy
A stunnin' truth
She'd saved herself and the world from another one of you
She's stuck with you though
But I'm takin' care of that
And if she was on LA
I know she'd be sayin' thanks

Nice Close But Could Of Had A Better Flow And Hit Harder

 
Kos
 

 

so gOd is a nerdy asian kid with sickle cell? well now i'm an athiest

 punch your face till we can't tell which of your slanted eyes i made laziest

 SoSo Opener, But O Said He Wasn't Asian So False Personal

 

you fucking suck, and that verse proves it, now it's got your dick riders cursing...

 cuz that trash proved Rameez and Orion is actually the same person!

 Nice But Again Another Set Up About O's Verse Sucking

 

i beat you to a pulp ,  cuz your lines were all fiction:

shit even chain did a better job of dissing a christian!

Decent

 

i called him out, but got stuck with the veteran's curse:

 Feeling like Scott Pilgrim, had to battle his boyfriend's ahead of him first!!

SoSo 

 

obvious this faggot is shook, my raw style is what he likes:

 THE PROOF IS HIS WHOLE VERSE IS ONLY MY OPEN MICS!!!

Very Nice 

 

i gave you all the chance in the world, but you still  proved unable:

 you fail, like thinking renegaydes will ever get signed to a major label (lames)

 Decent

                                     wanna battle?

 

the TRUTH IS  I was the champ while you still had a rookie spit

 VERITAS makes this chink flip when i hand him his pink slip!

Nice 

 

that drop was pure shit, and I ain't even tryna bring sway:

 I can't believe this is the same guy who used to beat King J!!!?

Nice Punch, But Too Many Uses Of O's Verse being Shit or Sucking

 

you missed me with eighty lines of shitty format:

 shatter the glass ceiling, now you know where the floors at!

Nice 

 

you think your too good, but you ain't active, just an anonymous troller:

 VERITAS is far colder, with these punches all up in his grill like a molar!

SoSo

 

my skill is bolder, fuck complexity, I bring your pain simply:

 this bitch is named after a belt and he still couldn't whip me!!

 Nice But Somewhat Obvious Punch

 

i had to wait four months for shit, like i just watched a bear wake up from hibernation:

 MOTHERFUCKER HOW CAN YOU BE NAMED AFTER A STAR AND STILL NEED ELEVATION???

Long, But Still Decent

 

smash your face in, replace the space you fake in, when i retire this coward

 the "comfort zone terrorist" , how i left your stories twin towered!

SoSo

 

this is slaughter, the discerning voter will see how this ain't even a contest:

 for the record, when i said any of the top ten, what i meant was the best! (u suck.)

Decent 

 

you want another chance? well not on lyrical assault, taking back the mojo i loaned you...

 now you will always remember that it was JAMES MURPHY who fucking owned you!

Nice One Of Your Better Punches 

 

i aint gotta talk to his buddies to get the information on this disgrace.....

 cuz only one ugly motherfucker wouldn't post his face on myspace!!!

Decent 

 

your verse should have rode on a float making it's gay pride march...

 LOL.....maybe you should have left in all the J5 parts !!?

Set Up Was SoSo, Punch Was Good 

 

when i said "remember the future"  I already knew at first you'd duck:

 been waiting for this moment to reveal how i already knew your verse would suck

Nice, But Another Lines On O's Verse Being Weak/Shit/Sucking ect.

 

what a letdown:  go back to the beginning, see if I dont make you a believer:

 "IF THAT IS VERITAS, THEN HE AINT A SON EITHER!!!"  (his own words giving me props)

 Nice

 

you really think i would pm those guys to get the truth? bitch i am a mastermind controller

 remember the old saying:  keep your friends close, but your MSN-emies closer!! (right?)

Decent

 

i was big upping in my open mics, and of course, i knew you'd bite....

 IF THIS FAGGOT NEVER BATTLES, HOW CAN HE BE RELEVENT UP ON A BATTLE SITE??

 Nice

 

these irish eyes were smiling when i saw your verse, like did you even re"hearse" it first???

 all it had me saying was, "what the fuck? were our ranks reversed!!!?"

SoSo Set Up, But Again Another Line About O's Verse, The Punch Was Very Nice Tho'
 

this is murder.  my punches are "ironically" fatal, as I-kontinue to be illa with this son....

 SHIT, EVEN KING JEHU IS BETTER THEN u, SO EASY TO BRING 5 TO 1 (kill)

Nice 

 

in closing, i dont want to be the new star, i just dont want the site to vote wack....

 becuase i just made "orion the hunter for a new site to post at".......bitch go pack.

 Nice Closer, Good Simple Multi's

 

 

I Don't Want To Say I Was Dissapointed, But With All The Hype Surrounding This Battle I Gota Say I Was Expectin' More From Both Of You, But Still Good Job Guys,

      O - Good Flow Decent Multi's, I Liked The Structure Of Your Verse, Although Some May Say It Was Hard To Keep With Flow With, But I Enjoyed It, Made It Fresh.  Your Punches For The Most Part Were Nice, Some Sick Ones In There And Your Set Ups Were Simple And Nice As Well.  Your Personals Were On Point, The Linkin' Personals Was Great.  Overall Sick Verse, Very Strong.

 

     Kos - Flow Was Pretty Even With O's, Not As Many Multi's Though.  For The Most Part you Had Decent Concept To You Punches and Personals Some Missed At Times And Were Obvious And Your Set Ups Were Redundant With Playin Off O's Verse Being Weak But This Is The Best Verse I've Seen From You In A Battle, You Didn't Have Many Winded Lines And Large Words Which Kept You Flow Intact.

 

     Overall Nice Battle Guys, Honestly I Hope Neither You Leave The Site Because Of A Loss In This Battle, That's Fuckin' Childish And Stupid, You Guys Both Are Phenomonal Writers. Unfortunently There Is Always A Victor and A 2nd Place So My Vote Is Gonna Go To O, Kos Honestly And More Than Likely If That Was Verse Dropped Against Any Other Verse I Proabably Would've Gave You The W, But O's Punches Landed More Often And Harder

Again, Good Battle Guys

Vote - O

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:09pm

So Cal…you didn’t  like any of Kosmo’s drop?

 

Really?

 

I thought it was the more clever of the 2 drops, thought the Opener and Closer were better and it flowed better (I agree Orion’s was choppy)

 

As for the “fake personals”, that’s moot. Cause that “James” drop is all that O referenced and it was clearly bait (I can vouch for that too)

 

As for creativity?  Have we not heard the same exact Christian/Family/IQ stuff for months now? This was like a weaker version of what CHAIN killed Kosmo with already. Go read CHAIN's again, it kills O's. I think Kosmo stepped up for this against the number 1 guy who’s definitely no where near his old self.

 

I really liked the “cause Moses did” line though, that was nice!

 

 

Vote = Kosmo

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:11pm
J504 - You're going to have to actually explain your vote. You can't give a vote to Kosmo on the grounds that -Orion-'s verse is a weaker version of what CHAIN smashed Kosmo with.

So yeah, still 2-0 until you explain your vote better. Thanks.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:24pm
 
O- Should've attacked his skill more than just referencing 1 Open Mic and his religion that's been done to death already. Flow was choppy, format was choppy. Best hit was the "cause Moses did" line. Would've been nice to see you expose his actual mistakes or his battles against him rather than info that "he purposely provided you with".   
 
 
Kosmo - Opener was funny as shit, closer was better than O's (again O referencing an Open Mic). The MSN-emies line killed, The callback to Veritas was clever. You did alot less lines than he did though, could've used those extra lines for some soccer references or something. You did a good job of making a personal against a dude that works hard at not revealing personal info.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:27pm
Cheers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:29pm
That better, Nep?
 
I was referencing the "creativity" aspect with the CHAIN reference (not sayin' O lost cause Chain's was better), as we've all seen the same religion disses for months now. Don't know if I was clear enough on that. It's kinda like the Tommy/Rugrat references, after seeing it in 3 or 4 battles, should voters want to see more creativity wise?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2010 at 7:46pm
You know what. FFFFFS.

I just spent like 30 minutes on my fucking vote, and I hit "back" by mistake (quick scrolling ftl)

So here it is again, in shorter, sharper terms :

-Orion- , solid verse. Some nice concepts, solid punches, kos mosis did bar was hot, Killing baby brother bar was raw, there was another sick punch in there towards the end, The Murphy's law punch, that was sick. Didn't think the format of the verse would help you none, but it was quite the opposite. Made it very easy to follow, flowed well, nice verse.

Kosmosis, Chinese shit fake personals, and other fake personals are a massive negative for me. MSN-imies line was nice, but it seems you come unstuck when trying to think of wordplay and metaphors. Yeah, you got similes, but they're child like (Up in your grill like a molar, for example) - and really just don't have an effect on the battle. Considering O's drop wasn't of the highest standard, you had an epic opportunity here to crush him, but you just didn't.

Pretty pissed off that I lost my previous vote, because I had everything down in a hell of a lot more detail, however, what I've got there is sufficient.

Overall, pretty 1 sided battle here.

-Orion- GMV......






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 1:25am
Man imma be straight up wit it cuz I dont have no ties to either competitor.

Orion yo shit was soft  more than vicious and punchy.The slut wife / the mom killin brother/and ect..... You set up your shit like its about to be hella funny but then it just fizzles.I been waiting to see your scripts for a long while so I guess I was anticipating too much.Wasn't considering how long you been away.You did have a few good lines but no where near the dopeness that some said you had IMO.Overall your drop was average .....but I did like your unusual style you brought to the table....the read was nice.

Kos- One line stood out for me and that was the star elevation line.LOL.......the rest was along with Orions......just decent.....didnt see much else goin on with your drop niether except some repetitive things.

This battle was hell close in my eyes and I really don't give a fuck what peeps think cuz frankly...I had to read these drops like 3 times each to make sure I didnt miss nothin.This battle was long winded and lost its appeal midway thru.

I think Kos barely escapes the L with that one line that caught me off gaurd and made me laugh.This shit could go either way ...good luck fellas!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 1:28am
I personally think that this was a catsweep by Kos.
Kos did his thing here.
To be quite frank, he didn't need to do much.
TBH, Orions verse got way boring and sleepy.
Plus his structure was all fucked up.
Yes, Kos had his typical few stretched lines but still had a wayyy better rhyme scheme and flow than Orions.
Seriously Orion said nothing.
Makes me wonder how he has that record.
Kos, good shit and good hits, I like the Orion and Rameez being the same person line.LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 1:56am
Originally posted by J504 J504 wrote:

So Cal…you didn’t  like any of Kosmo’s drop?

 

Really?



Well you could totally ignore my vote and read what you'd like to see or you could actually properly read it and not just look at the outcome.... I suggest you do the latter and get back to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:28am

Cal, honestly I don't want to disrespect O or Kosmo by flippin' on your swayin'. Come to the "for Orion" thread I started and we can continue this...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:29am
So flippin / swaying about the battle in another thread is acceptable?






I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:31am
My fuckin' swayin'? Did you even read the vote ou dumb ass motherfucker?! I have no problems about you riding for ya boyfriend but don't drag me into your dick riding cause you disagree with my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 2:52am

If I accuse somebody of swaying in my battle when they didn't sway - that in itself will serve as a swaying tactic - and unfortunately, most of the time it would work.

Amongst all the bitching and hissy fits...I'm amazed nobody is cottoning onto this reverse psychology swaying  Ermm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 August 2010 at 3:18am
Yano what - fuck it. I said to Kos I wasn't gonna vote but battles need votes and I'm in the mood for voting.

Firstly - I'd like to say that I DO NOT AGREE with this pink slip shit. Although it makes for a more intense show-down - I dont believe that a loss should mean the end to a members membership.

Anywhooo.......

Orion - As Que already mentioned....I was a little disappointed with what you came out here with, in comparison to what I've read from you previously, but having said that, the Moses bar and those surrounding it killed this for me. The format was a bit funky but still easy to read and although you flow went off at points - I enjoyed your verse.
Kos- I've already told you what I thought about this battle - and that I don't want to contribute to you leaving this site - which is why I'm voting now, so that I don't become that last voter to make that decision. Your verse was the best I've seen from you since you've been here - but the made up personals (which you and J5 seemed to be accustomed to) and the lack of consistency in your punches is why IMO, Orion beat you this time.

MVGT - Orion

And I'd just like to add - that my initial doubts on voting in this battle have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with anything that has happened between me J and Kos - it was solely cuz Orion NEVER votes on battles (or at least since I've been here). Though my decision still stands.

Good luck to you both

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