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-Orion-
Veteran Joined: 08 April 2004 Location: DisturbinLondon Status: Offline Points: 9598 Crew: Renegades Text Rank: #1 Stats: 90-4-1 Form: WWWWNW |
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Posted: 29 January 2006 at 1:41pm |
Before reading this you should already know the Site Rules and Battle Rules The idea of Spit for Rank is to separate battlers into leagues of similar ability, so those ranked are done so amongst MCs of a similar skill level. The skill levels are broad, given there are only three ranks: Professional, Amateur and Novice. Don't take the word's meaning too literally in your rank, don't think of yourself as an amateur battler just because you have the Amateur rank. Ranks are decided by the rank team, which is currently: ILLA
señor perfecto King Jehu -Orion- IceC Stalin To be eligible to rank, you have to be both of PRO rank and Vet status. No other members are allowed to officially rank you, any posts by other members are simply opinions.
Ranks, currently, are only being given to text, as the audio division is still inactive.
Lastly, and most importantly: this is spit for rank, not bitch for rank; persistent or excessive complaining may result in ban points or you losing the privelege to get ranked, which would mean you are ineligible to vote or battle on LA. You will be ranked FAIRLY irrespective of your reputation on LA or any problems you have with the judges. Edited by -Orion- - 02 May 2006 at 3:29pm |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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Senor Perfecto
Veteran 1st Battle Winner! AM I 'ECK Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 3272 Crew: XFade: Phoenix Text Rank: #6 Stats: 66-36-2 Form: WLWLWL |
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-Orion-
Veteran Joined: 08 April 2004 Location: DisturbinLondon Status: Offline Points: 9598 Crew: Renegades Text Rank: #1 Stats: 90-4-1 Form: WWWWNW |
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Edited by -Orion- |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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I-kontinue
Veteran The Sovereign Joined: 14 July 2004 Status: Offline Points: 4961 Crew: The Dynasty Text Rank: #3 Stats: 46-9-0 Form: WWWWWL |
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I have two points to make or maybe its just something I'M not understanding...
Orion, I dont think you should go through the battle archives and award more points for if someone beat a pro, ama or nov becuase what if someone beat me when I was wack...Even though I'm considered "pro" right now, they'd still get 3 points for beating me a long time ago? ...i think NOW that the rankings are set up you should go by addin extra points for when someone beats another person....starting today... ...and ma 2nd question/point... when you say points, do you mean "wins"? some one would get 3 wins for beatin someone of pro level? and if that IS the case...if a person loses to a pro, do they also get -3 points? Edited by Game |
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-Orion-
Veteran Joined: 08 April 2004 Location: DisturbinLondon Status: Offline Points: 9598 Crew: Renegades Text Rank: #1 Stats: 90-4-1 Form: WWWWNW |
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First point... I see you, which is what has made it tricky, it was temptin' to take each battle into consideration based on the person's skill level at the time but that would involve rankin' everyone for every battle I do and it'd end up takin' ages... I dunno, it's complicated but overall it'll do more positive than negative impact When I say points I mean points...look at the battle ranks... Scotty's got wins, losses and points... We're all ordered by points... points used to be = wins - losses... now it's = wins - losses - no-shows... but soon it will = wins (+bonuses) - losses - no-shows... And no, if you lose you get 0 points regardless of who you lose to... but a PRO gets 3 points for beatin' another PRO, just as an AMA gets 3 points for beatin' a PRO, and a NOV does... It seems flawed...but to me, it's better than nothin'...and I guess it's here to be evaluated, and it's best any changes are made ASAP, so ya know, throw 'em all out... even if you think the shit should be scrapped altogether whatever, if we get everythin' aired out then I and any others relevant can continue to work on sortin' shit out... 'cuz I ain't gonna continue goin' through the archives now till I'm sure this shit is goin' ahead, for example |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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Cuba
Senior Moderator Legendary Assassin Joined: 14 June 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12327 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-22-0 Form: WWWWLW |
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I actually like that points idea...stops you from battlin shit people and climbin the ranks faster
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NepentheZ
Superior Member ... { 26 } ... Joined: 11 October 2004 Location: Yea..Cake. Man Status: Offline Points: 7727 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 40-32-1 Form: WWLWLW |
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only thing i disagree with, (and this is entirely from a biased POV.) .. is the spit for rank. I HATE the spit for rank, because it puts so much pressure on you to spit good and look tight infront of your peers. When Diadem came to the site, if he used Divergance as his "spit for rank" he would have undoubtedly been ranked Pro. But in out battle, i clearly doenst show pro status. Also ... (i think this is a loop hole) ... if a person get ranked by points from battles. why do they have to spit for rank? why not start every noob as a novice, regardless of other site history, because this is LA, they have to prove themselves here to be a pro, not on the back of one spit.
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I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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Cuba
Senior Moderator Legendary Assassin Joined: 14 June 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12327 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-22-0 Form: WWWWLW |
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If all newbies start off as pro at what point do they become ama or pro?...I like that idea definately but can see potential pitfalls
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Cuba
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i meant novice
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-Orion-
Veteran Joined: 08 April 2004 Location: DisturbinLondon Status: Offline Points: 9598 Crew: Renegades Text Rank: #1 Stats: 90-4-1 Form: WWWWNW |
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Yeah... like people could "earn" PRO from 100 NOV wins as opposed to 30 PRO or 50 AMA ones... you can't make it a numerical value because that's a system still subject to being taken advantage of As for Diadem... yes, that's true, but I do say in the post that we reserve right to drop your rank if you start doing badly, now he dropped one piece that was solid PRO, then a battle that was solid AMA, if we had already ranked him PRO he would have remained as such... following more drops we'd have made an assessment from there...given he's barely been back, there is also the factor that if he's inactive for 2 months his name will automatically disappear off the battle ranks... but yeah, once in a while ranks will be reassessed by the judges I guess, no set pattern, just one day me ILLA and Ice might decide on MSN someone's no longer PRO or whatever |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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NepentheZ
Superior Member ... { 26 } ... Joined: 11 October 2004 Location: Yea..Cake. Man Status: Offline Points: 7727 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 40-32-1 Form: WWLWLW |
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iight .... but i still dont like spit for rank. I get the point of the "earn Pro" by 100 Nov wins, but NO ONE is gonna get that many wins in any short amount of time, also, you could use discretion as to whether, even after a hypothetical 100 wins, the person is a pro or not. Edited by NepentheZ |
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I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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-Orion-
Veteran Joined: 08 April 2004 Location: DisturbinLondon Status: Offline Points: 9598 Crew: Renegades Text Rank: #1 Stats: 90-4-1 Form: WWWWNW |
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Well no u couldn't use discretion because if you have a mathematical system in place discretion isn't necessary and would only cause controversy; whereas this is 100% reliant on the discretion of the judges and anyone spittin' for rank knows this already 100 was a hypothetical number, if it were to be put into practice it would never be even close to that high - which is another problem - people could just boost their way to the rank they want then sleep...whereas here, if they do try that sorta thing, we have our discretion on hand to demote them, but if you do that when there's a set system based on numbers in place, there's no fair way about it |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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NepentheZ
Superior Member ... { 26 } ... Joined: 11 October 2004 Location: Yea..Cake. Man Status: Offline Points: 7727 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 40-32-1 Form: WWLWLW |
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I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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Cuba
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I decide Tequila isn't a pro...seriously
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-Orion-
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Well it's 2 to 1 anyway...so that doesn't really change his rank ya digg
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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NepentheZ
Superior Member ... { 26 } ... Joined: 11 October 2004 Location: Yea..Cake. Man Status: Offline Points: 7727 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 40-32-1 Form: WWLWLW |
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WOW .... ya'll think people are gonna fall for that? a staged disagreement to show that the 2 / 1 X Factor style judging works. Good stuff, i think i actually believed it for a jiffy.
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I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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Cuba
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Conspiracy theorist
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NepentheZ
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Conspiricist.
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I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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Senor Perfecto
Veteran 1st Battle Winner! AM I 'ECK Joined: 18 October 2003 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 3272 Crew: XFade: Phoenix Text Rank: #6 Stats: 66-36-2 Form: WLWLWL |
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¡Hola...! Previous records should not be changed as no Member is qualified to judge on past events... All LA Members are equal... We are all worth one Win or one Loss... With the old system... Score = Wins - Losses... Then this was adapted... Score = Wins - Losses - No-Shows... The benefit of the old system was that it was based on recorded figures... To progress up the ranks... you needed to win more battles... regardless of who you were battling... All Wins and Losses were given the same credit... Simple and effective... Ranks remind me of ineffective MSN-sites... It judges Members before and after every battle... A Win against a Member ranked Pro is not worth three times more than a Win against a Member ranked Novice... If so... then losing to a Novice is three times worse than losing to a Pro... The new system is inconsistent... Members will be encouraged to vote based on the ranks... and not the verses... What is more important than Ranks is how every Member is regarded by each other... and not just by a designated panel of three... All systems are open to abuse... The previous system was not fool-proof... but it did not call for the judgement/opinion of any Members however informed they might be... Bitching and controversy still went on in the Battle Fields but... unless you were Illa... you could not alter your score... A revamp or program modification is fine... but a complete overhaul of the battle system is not what LA needs... Finally... ranks should not be on the left-hand panel... They should scroll across the bottom of our screens in flashing fonts... Adios... |
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Cuba
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