Biggie or Tupac
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Topic: Biggie or Tupac
Posted By: NepentheZ
Subject: Biggie or Tupac
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 11:52am
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yo, i personally think tupac was better, he influenced tha game, an can we finally put there beef to rest, u heard runnin, niether of dem had beef, just personal shit that got blown out of proportion, an oh, i think puffy killed pac!! -------------  I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
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Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 11:57am
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Biggie Smalls. ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 11:58am
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silly silly boy first of all answer my call out second tu wack bigger than big dont be silly bigs flow enough was better than anything tu wack... you say tu pac is all about ghetto and caring for his block well how comes he changed when he got his money, listen to juicy, call the crib same number same hood- now that real, biggie stayed to his roots ready to die- 10 million copies sold - nuff said biggie got 5 mics in the source twice so did tu pac but biggie only had to albumbs... tu pac ran his mouth big dint give a shit about him ...... tu pac change the game i dont think so the only thing he changed is the surcurity outside las vegas hotels
so vote biggie lol ------------- the punching machine 
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 11:59am
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and wat u talking about runnin dont mean shit shady put it together i doubt they would of agreeded to it ------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: Noxious
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:01pm
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B.I.G ------------- 
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Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:09pm
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yo frank, i know biggies got flow, but pac, well he was legendary, an he did change tha game..... look fo sure big only made two albulms, an ready to die was phat, i listen to it all tha time, but pac has been dead for time an he still releasin shit, that gotta say summink, yobig had better flow an better rhymez but pac had more meaning to his tunez, big ALWAYS chat bout gettin kicked outta hiz moms, or fuckin his girls, its almost like the regular day hip "pop" stars now have followed him, like 50, or snoop or anyof dem that just chat bout gats an bitches. i know pac did too but he had reasons fo it, not jus to put a tune together, ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:11pm
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BIG- Better flow, more quotables PAC- More emotion and lyricism, more poetic I don't even know anymore.. Blah Blah, the usual, they're overrated, PUN rules ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:14pm
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what reasons did he have fot it biggie was far more lyrical .... had meaning to his songs listen to miss you me and my bitch skys the limit more money more problems- is that not the most real comment eva who is the most hated country in the world america more money more problems..... i hate in when people say biggies tunes had no meaning as thats a load of bull the only thing tu pac had over biggie was more bullets in him ...... hit em up go wank over it ------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:15pm
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Scorpia... Snoop Dogg's been rappin' since he was 16. Snoop's real. Gangsta Rap was original when him, Cube, Dre, an' whatnot were doin' it. When Deathrow was fresh, we're talkin' early 90s, gangsta rap was how it was goin' down. People like 50 Cent are all on Pac's dick not BIG's, so I got no idea what you're talkin' about. Quote 50: "They like me, I wan' 'em to love me like they loved Pac" Biggie's influence was more on people like Jigga, in other words: people who may or may not make pop hits but people that bring it lyrical, switch styles, are eclectic. Quote Jigga: "I'm strong enough to carry Biggie Smalls on my back, an' the whole of BK nigga holla back" Not the best quote but I happened to listen to that (Moment Of Clarity) today. ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:18pm
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for once orions talking real lol
and the whole of new york went sick at jigga for that because they no he cant emulate biggie and look how good he is 50 cent ja rule dmx - all pac immatators as cannibus once said - best rapper ever died march 9th thats enough 4 me ------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:20pm
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Anyway... to the real crux of it... Biggie... just better lyrics... straight up... More variation, more versatile flow, quality not quantity... Tupac... better MC... one of the best MCs ever no doubt... but he's jus' DMX really... nothin' much better. The "emotion" got stale, he overdid it, he wrote too much, or rather, put out too much - a lot of it was balls. Pac had the better MCin' attributes and more "image" which is why he appeals more to people these days, but Biggie was more versatile, and put quality ahead of quantity... nah much contest after that. ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: =Tu-KhinDz=
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:24pm
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B.I.G is better than me because BIG lyrics is hotter than 2 pac to me.... |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:25pm
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yo orion Quote 50: "They like me, I wan' 'em to love me like they loved Pac" that dun mean he followin pac, it means pac had more followers, read it back to urself. an i know a lot bout tha history of rap, especiall east cost west cost, i know i am white but that dun mean shit, lol an SNOOP, hes shit, i know everyone is entitled to thier opinion but hese really shit. i been rappin since i was sixteen, dun make me gd does it snoop just chats bout the same shit day in day out an it bores me to death, i got his first two albulms they cool, but then after that it all dooooooown hill, like jehu said, pac had poetry, which is from tha heart man, big had "style" an "flow", thats not real u have to adapt to that shit
------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:32pm
The 50 quote may not mean shit just as a quote, but if you knew rap like you say you do you'd know that Ja Rule, 50 Cent and that lot are all Pac followers, Pac fans. Not BIG ones. Stylistically they take after Pac more than they do BIG. If you can't see that then you need to listen closely. Snoop Dogg's been rappin' ON RECORDS since he was 16... I'm not gonna deny his shit's gettin' old now, no doubt, and you're right, first two albums it was goin' down. You gotta have respect for him though. Well I do anyway. Pac had poetry?! lmfao sit down man... Very little of his shit was poetic, He just tried to make it sound poetic. He ain't no more poetic than DMX is, sorry. Everyone has this false notion that Pac's like Mr. Poetic Rap. Mr. Deep Rap. Mr. Straight From The Heart Rap. A lot of it was the same shit over and over. A lot of it was depressingly simple and bland. ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
scorpia_king wrote:Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:38pm
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yeah ok, pac does get followed by tha ja an 50s, but thats cause hes so gud, an dun get me wrong, i gt respect fo snoop, hell if it werent fo him dre wud neva hav made a comeback so em wud not have had such a big influence on tha game so 50 wud neva have been made famous an den 50 made llyod banks, so i got mad respect fo snoop, hes just same shit, different day, an as fo big, dun get me wrong, hes in ma top 5 fave artists of ALL time, im jus sayin pac had a bigger influence on tha game, an pac DID have poetry, did usee tha docu on him wen he got killed? tha teacher at his school give all his "book o rhymes" to tha press, mad skills in dem uno, an the rose that grew....... it all peotic, just not in a way that u may find normal. ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:43pm
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I didn't say Pac wasn't poetic, but his poetic elements were overrated and blown out of proportion. And it's weird how you made that list of influences boil down to Lloyd Banks, another one hugely overrated... ...Never mind... 1 ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:44pm
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yea fo sure, banks is crap, but hes here nun tha less. ne who, i think we both made our point ~1~ ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:46pm
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ye but big dint write his shit down it came straight from his dope - now that mad
------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:47pm
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^ dome* ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:50pm
yea bigs got skills, i listen all tha time, he write a tune in 1 hour, but thats y it sound tha same, cause it quick, got flow, got rhymez, uno if u changed like 1 word every line of bigs u cud have battle lyrics for a life time, not tha same fo pac. but to be "frank" i like dem both a lot, i jus think pac edges it, god damn read up ^^^^^ ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:51pm
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lol thata ironic you talk about bigs playedness then use the most played bit of wordplay about my name ------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 12:56pm
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lol, i just thought it wud be funny, but frank, every one has thier opinion yo, an im not sayin urs is wrong, actually that is wat im saying, but it dun mean its is, lol ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: -HHS-
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 2:59pm
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this topic has bin raped since the 2 got beef so fuck it biggy still betta hands down ------------- "Anybody who bases their opinion on what they READ online by some random, you know, nameless individual with no identity....is just an idiot."- Immortal Technique |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 26 October 2004 at 10:22pm
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Um... this is gonna go on forever... Orion, Pac put out a BOOK of
poetry... he was a poet. I mentioned that his shit is too much like 50
Cent before, cause too many of his songs were that
bock/hood/homies/kill you shit cause he was so gangsta. Big was good,
pac was good, let it go, they're both dead. They're the past... learn
from the past, not dwell on it. Worry about the future. I am the future. You, who is reading this now... you are the future... focus on that. ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: Stalin
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 4:53am
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Ima have to come and clear this shit up... They were BOTH better.. at different things, thats all there is to it Flow - Big Multisyllables - Pac Emotion - Pac Meta's - Big Freestylin - Big Intelligence - Pac I know ull argue bout the multi's goin to Pac.. so let me show examples... BIG If I did, ain't no problem to get the gat Where the true players at? Throw your Rollies in the sky Wave em side to side and keep your hands high While I give your girl the eye, player please Lyrically, niggaz see, B.I.G. Pac They tell me not to roll with my glock So now I gotta throw away Floatin in the black Benz, tryin to do a show a day They wonder how I live, with five shots Niggaz is hard to kill, on my block Schemes for currency and doe related Affiliated with the hustlers, so we made it need anymore examples? AND Biggies rhymes were fuckin elementary, anyone could do that.. and someone said somethin about Pac openin his mouth and Big not sayin shit.. is that supposed to be good?? around here if someone sayin they gonna kill u and sayin they fucked ur wife and took pictures wit ur wife, u better ryde on their ass or u get no respect. So in my eyes Biggies was a punk, he let Pac ryde on him and sat back and let it happen cuz he was SCARED, I dont care if u aint ready to admit it, Big was scared, he knew Suge had Pac's back and Big was scared, he said it himself. Pac talkin all that shit was him bein REAL. Thats why I think Big was never involved in any of the shit he rapped about cuz if u from the streets, u aint gonna take no shit like that, and Biggie took it. In my opinion, Pac had WAAY more talent than Biggie could ever dream of, the only thing Biggie had him on was the 3 things mentioned above, he NEVER could get as deep as Pac, and Pac made a double album in 2 weeks and he was doin movies and all that shit. I heard some stories and Big was a bitch. I remember hearin about 2 times when Biggie had guns and let ppl take the blame for him. he had no backbone, he was soft. I didnt forget about the comment about look at Pac's followers, and that they like Pac more than Biggie, NO SHIT, thats cuz Pac got into their minds and made them believe what he was doin was right. Why u think Pac has more fans than Big?? It's because ppl recognize real, and the shit Pac was doin made alot of ppl realize Big wasnt shit, dont get me wrong I liek some of Biggies shit but alot of it is just garbage. examples... I'm shootin babies, no ifs ands or maybes Hit mummy in the tummy if the hooker plays a dummy Slit the wrist of little sis After she sucked the dick, I stabbed her brother with the icepick because he wanted me to fuck him from the back but Smalls don't get down like that Got your father hidin in a room; fucked him with the broom Slit him down the back and threw salt in the wound Most of yall probly dont even know Pac was also gettin into producin, he used to play the piano all the time and come up wit melodies for his songs, he even made the beat for Bomb First and had some producers add shit to it, so wit all that said.. Pac was far more talented than BIG. If u read all this Ive wasted all this time typin, then u should understand.. Dont forget, Pac was trainin Big before he was signed to Bad Boy...HAHAHAHAHA kiss my ass frank and Jehu ur on some revolutionary shit, "u are the future, focus on urself" lol glad u see it my way.. ------------- +Sick-Witted+ |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 5:05am
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YOOOO MAN, THAT WAS A NICE LITTLE VERSE, BUT HAD NOTHING TO DO WIV THIER MUSICAL TALENT EXCEPT THA BIT AT THA TOP, BUT STILL. IT IRONED A FEW CREASES OUT, AN FO SURE WE ARE THA FUTURE,
SRY FOR CAPS, LOL ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: Tec
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 7:20am
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Tupac...49 for Big???? Lemme guess...Frank Black... ------------- ...!!Tec!!... |
Posted By: frank white
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 7:35am
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it wasnt actully i voted once obviously someone else likes big as much as me ------------- the punching machine
bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
Posted By: Tec
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 7:40am
Lol... ...------------- ...!!Tec!!... |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 8:52am
Tupac said he would spark the brain of the person who woud change the world. I think Immortal Technique did just that. I am on some revolutionary shit... I'm glad you are too.
------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: Demonic
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 9:37am
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vote big both were hot but pac wasnt the sort of rapper i'd listen to All day biggie i would BUT STILL THESE ARE THE TWO BEST rapper's EVER ------------- |
Posted By: Scotty32
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 9:51am
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wheres the "NEITHER" option.... i dont like either - and pac has to many dickriders  -------------  |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 11:07am
Um... this is what's wrong with ppl. If you die you're great, right? Aaliyah jad a very weak voice jam master jay was not the best DJ Big was overrated pac was too Left eye (tlc) wasn't a very good rapper yet no one ever talks about the real BIG ones Big Pun and Big L, and they were better than Big and pac... but it's better like that, cause they rest in peace, nobody in their nuts
I actually think I've put this quote somewhere else in the site before... ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: Demonic
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 11:17am
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yes i ve seen it before and what i said up there is wat i think and i think big l and pun are both sick as fuck but i perfferd pac&biggie just an opinion {just like to get that across ------------- |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 2:44pm
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pun was genius i agree, but if u know ur hip hop history then ull know that he made it in as a phoney,i know every one needs to grab tha chances they are handed but the way he did it was low, so i just disregardhim, ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 2:45pm
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Word to Jehu im on the same mindstate homie.. couldnt have said it any better. |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 8:28pm
Please elaborate... ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: -Orion-
Date Posted: 27 October 2004 at 8:30pm
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yaea wtf you talkjn bout ------------- They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 28 October 2004 at 4:24am
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well, wen pun was 5 years old, thats right, just five he broke his leg ok, then years later wen he was workin in a factory or summink, he contacted tha lawyer that was dealin wiv tha case, (i dun know y) and found out that he had a half a mill settlement case headin his way! he formed a group wiv triple seis an cuban link an was then known as moon dog, or big moon dog, an he was only able to do this because of tha settlement money he shud have got wen he was FIVE!! then a few years later in 95 he was in tha bronx in his recordin studio wen one of fat joes enterage was walkin by, wen the guy enquired as to who it was, worried that joe wudnt like pun for ANY reason, he lied an said it was a friend, when joe asked to hear tha "friend" at a later date, who turned up but big pun - still known as big moon dog. so i just think that he used tha wrong methods to get in tha game, an if it werent for some dude breakin his leg wen he was FIIIVVEEEE he wudnt have had a sucsessful career, ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 28 October 2004 at 9:39am
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If it wasn't for drugs business in comptom, easy E would've never had
the money to start the label with NWA in it. There would've been no
Dre, no Em, no 50, no Gay unit. There woulda been no death row and pac
wouldn'tve been so big. neither would snoop. Shit, if someone broke my
leg, I'd sue their balls off if it could get me a recording studio, and
i'd do the same shit pun did, in the same fucking way. There are worse
ways to get money. Drugs - bad. Lawsuit - lycky, but good. Working for
it - good. Yes, pun was lucky... but if you can tell me with a straight face that luck does not play a major role in "making it" in music, you're wrong, misled and stupid. There are many great MC's with no deals... there are people who were only lucky enough to ghostwrite for other people just because they want to get out there, and unfortunately, don't get their chance. Alchemist is one of the hottest producers in the game right now... and he had money BEFORE he ever made music. Does that make him a fraud? Tell me, scorpia... What's the "right" way? ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 29 October 2004 at 4:51am
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no mani agree with you, u do need a lucky "break" - excuse tha "pun" lol... but his leg was broken wen he was five, so y did they not claim then or sue then?? wen he was 5 im sure his parents wudav spent it for them not knowing he had a musica; talents, like i was run over wen i was 6, i cud sue them now (i dont need to lol) to get me some money but i just feel that wud be wrong, if he earned tha money an got a studio an shit, well done, like u say, there are good rappers/emcees out there with no deals an they have to work hard to get somewhere, but pun got it handed to him on a plate!! ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: King Jehu
Date Posted: 29 October 2004 at 7:54am
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J-QWON... 17... That's having it handed in a plate. And who's to say Pun never worked hard? Nobody ever earns the money to get a studio unless they're in drugs or already rich, cause a studio costs way more money than you think it does. If that was the only way he could afford a sudio, why not use it to his advantage? trust me... some people in NY would give head to earn a record deal. Pun just wanted to make music... the deal came to him. ------------- Insert something rappy here |
Posted By: NepentheZ
Date Posted: 29 October 2004 at 8:15am
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KK, WE BOTH MADE OUR POINT, GOOD ARGUMENTS THERE, I MIGHT SEND THIS IN TO QUESTION TIME OR SUMMINK, LOL, BOTTOM LINE IS, WE BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON DIFFERENT ARTISTS, NUFF SED ------------- I'm so fucking intelligent, half the time I don't even know what I'm saying... |
Posted By: Shadow
Date Posted: 31 October 2004 at 2:34pm
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Tupac is My Fav Rapper..maybe cos i Feel sum of the shit he did..he kept it real didnt take shit from nobody... Biggie was Good but far overrated with the Pac beef...but i know heads say Pac is overrated but imo hes Real..rhymes were sick and the truth was spoken Also BIG L...Big Pun....were Untouchable its mad how these never blew like pac and Big...Expecially Big L...Multis were DOpe...School Days is 1 of my all time fav.Laid bk tracks
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Posted By: Bolo
Date Posted: 15 November 2004 at 8:07pm
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It's hard to determine the better of the two. They both had mad tight rhymes and amazing flow, but different styles. I personally feel that pac was better but thats because of the huge impact he had on the game and the culture. Biggie was one of the best ever, no doubt, but the only reason he transcended the game was his beef with pac. And I agree with shadow: Big L is way too underrated. |
Posted By: I-kontinue
Date Posted: 23 November 2004 at 5:13pm
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....This is a hard one...I'd say, with skill, Biggie was the most ahead of his time. No doubt, he took the game by storm wit skills... But, Pac was alot more influential and real |