Topic Closed Identity Crisis 2: IC2 Round One: Battler 14 vs Battler 19 - 14 WINS

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    Posted: 30 March 2017 at 3:09pm
Identity Crisis: Round 1

- 25-40 Lines 
- Best of 5
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- Wednesday April 5th, Midnight GMT time
- Reserves if needed, Friday April 7th, Midnight GMT time

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Battler 14

Within the primordial soup, before amphibians walked

A blind design set a course that was given no thought

Then once aligned with the path of all probable cause

Evolution worked with Time an unstoppable force...

Thru the salt and the lime, the bogs an the chalk

Before minds were combined, and our dogs couldn't talk

When we needed them less, when the crops came in full

It's necessity that drives just how often we've morphed..

From the LUCA. to the future, beyond Apes of abundance

Where we rake up a sustenance, on the wastes of the the tundra

10 thousand spent under, just escaping the thunder

We emerged eating bugs, the whole place had been plundered

From the purge beating drugs, and the sickness that followed

And the burden of love that's now withered and hollow

Nothings owned on this earth, even living is borrowed

It's about what we're worth! What we're given tomorrow

From the sun that once burned, to what's left that is frozen

And the the stretch of the nets to the death of the oceans

The generous gifts all endowed, to the aggressive revoking

Our own end is to evolve out! And the weapon is chosen

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Battler 19

The architect


I felt the sun beat down on my tethered robes

I dreamt of better homes and planting seeds weve never grown

My visions forever glowed in the darkness of plagues

Trying to separate the human flesh apart from the rags

I watch as stones are woven into cloths of my brothers

I feel closer as each one is placed on top of each other

The masons are called upon as they chiseled  a visage

Presenting an imagine depicting a pinnacle in it

The highest of honours, a God among peasants

Followed by priests and magic men with strung pendants

I've been deemed the architect of my people

Designed every statue, step and cathedral 

My work is assisted by fallen stars in private

Showing me skills to achieve the goals my hearts provided

They taught me mathematics to create structures

We make mountains with ropes even though many men suffer

As they run their hands along the paper outlining the plans

Showing triangles spread out made to lie in the sand

The fallen stars continue to speak in their language

Their mouths barely moving almost inhuman and faceless

Though their knowledge is endless on producing creations

Showing future structures through a mirror like hallucinations 

I see kingdom with irrigation and vegetation

Creating a world with better patience and legislation 

They've been alive longer than mortal men on this planet

Saved us from struggle and disease after they landed 

I've dedicated my life to pay back the knowledge they given

So we designed a structure to defy all of the limits




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Quote Within the primordial soup, before amphibians walked
A blind design set a course that was given no thought


This is dope! I loved the "primordial soup" bit. Sounded really creative to me.
The "amphibians" part was pretty cool too and it helped to conjure up thoughts of the very beginning when complex organisms first started to emerge on the planet.

Quote Then once aligned with the path of all probable cause
Evolution worked with Time an unstoppable force...


Is there such a thing as a Law of Probability? I imagine there must be. However, is it different than Murphy's Law or is it the same as? Actually, never mind. That's a dumb question. lol, In any case, I dug the wording in the first line. It makes sense. As well as answered the question the previous line raised. Which was, if the universe was created with no thought in mind then why is everything the way it is? Your answer to that conundrum was "probability". As for the proceeding line I like the abstract concepts of "evolution" & "time" working together, but I wasn't really feeling the wording or how the flow of the end rhyme was interrupted. It just seems as if the entire line could be reworded better to really bring the idea to life and off the page.

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Thru the salt and the lime, the bogs an the chalk
Before minds were combined, and our dogs couldn't talk


The flow was more crisp here. I like the salt/lime bit. But I'm not sure what bogs and* chalk have to do with one another. Also the dog mention was a good tie-in to the picture, but if there was ever a time that "Man's Best Friend" could talk I'd like a little elaboration.

Quote When we needed them less, when the crops came in full
It's necessity that drives just how often we've morphed..
From the LUCA. to the future, beyond Apes of abundance
Where we rake up a sustenance, on the wastes of the the tundra
10 thousand spent under, just escaping the thunder
We emerged eating bugs, the whole place had been plundered
From the purge beating drugs, and the sickness that followed
And the burden of love that's now withered and hollow
Nothings owned on this earth, even living is borrowed

It's about what we're worth! What we're given tomorrow


The first few lines had no flow. However, around "tundra" all the way down "tomorrow" the flow picked up considerably and started to get really fluid. As for the imagery, well ... I thought it was a little obscure and I was unable to fully grasp what it was you were trying to say or illustrate, however, the lines quoted in bold were really good and standout-ish.

Quote From the sun that once burned, to what's left that is frozen
And the the stretch of the nets to the death of the oceans
The generous gifts all endowed, to the aggressive revoking
Our own end is to evolve out! And the weapon is chosen


This was cool. I'm guessing the overall concept was to tell a Genesis to Revelation type of story that was non biblical, so to speak. For the most part you did just that. You started at the beginning and skipped straight to the end. The only problem with that is that it feels somewhat incomplete because there seems to be no bridge between the two, no middle, and no explanation. Still tho, judging this piece based solely on what was written as opposed to what was not written, I'd have to say it was an interesting read. Not bad. Not bad at all.


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Quote The architect


Cool title. It seems very appropriate.


Quote I felt the sun beat down on my tethered robes
I dreamt of better homes and planting seeds weve never grown
My visions forever glowed in the darkness of plagues
Trying to separate the human flesh apart from the rags
I watch as stones are woven into cloths of my brothers


You start off pretty interesting. I can already tell this is gonna read like some sort of epic legend or myth, whichI'm a big fan of. Thus, you've managed to peak my interest right out the gate. However, subject-matter aside, I do have some gripes with your intro. For starters the flow is underwhelming and some of you're end rhymes don't actually rhyme (e.g.; plagues/rags?). Another thing is wording/imagery. I can't for the life of me figure out how a "stone" would ever be "woven" into a "cloth" and not even if that's suppose to be taken metaphorically/poetically in an attempt to describe the building of a structure. In my opinion, it just doesn't work.

Quote I feel closer as each one is placed on top of each other
The masons are called upon as they chiseled a visage
Presenting an imagine depicting a pinnacle in it
The highest of honours, a God among peasants
Followed by priests and magic men with strung pendants
I've been deemed the architect of my people
Designed every statue, step and cathedral


The flow isn't perfect, but it's fluid enough. I think your rhyme scheme is kind of cool too. Your vocabulary is dope and seems really appropriate. The progression of the story and just the story itself is really dope. It's definitely the kind of content and imagery I like to get lost in. To me it reads like a Zecharia Sitchin book. I'm digging it.

Quote Showing me skills to achieve the goals my hearts provided
They taught me mathematics to create structures
We make mountains with ropes even though many men suffer
As they run their hands along the paper outlining the plans
Showing triangles spread out made to lie in the sand
The fallen stars continue to speak in their language
Their mouths barely moving almost inhuman and faceless
Though their knowledge is endless on producing creations
Showing future structures through a mirror like hallucinations


Nicely executed! The wording was solid. The flow was clean. And the imagery was of great substance. The entire section was on point. I loved the details you incorporated like the blueprint, the rope visual, and your description of the alien/Annunaki/Nephilim like beings (great picture tie-in, btw) that imparted their vast knowledge of creation upon us. Also, the function you gave to the "mirror" was awesome and creative. Dope ish all around.

Quote I see kingdom with irrigation and vegetation
Creating a world with better patience and legislation
They've been alive longer than mortal men on this planet
Saved us from struggle and disease after they landed
I've dedicated my life to pay back the knowledge they given
So we designed a structure to defy all of the limits


Actually, your piece sort of remindes me of the Egyptian/Kemetic god of knowledge Thoth/Thottie's story more so than it does the work of Z. Sitchin. More specifically 'The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean". Anyway, I was digging the utopian like imagery, the flow, and just about everything else in general. You got busy with this topic.

VOTE -- B19

Both took very interesting and original approaches to an already interesting and oringinal picture. I think both had strong passages of text and also parts that could use some work. However, B19 displayed better overall mechanics and command of rhythm and also wrote a more complete and cohesive story, as singular drops both verses would shine in the OM. In the context of a battle tho ... I'd have to give it to my mans B.One.Nine.


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Battler 14: One thing that I straight away appreciate is that you kept it short and sweet, you packed your verse with your A game, and clearly didn't feel pressured to use all the lines, which I gives props to. So many pieces will get to like 30 lines, and it is so clear that people go, 'fuck, better stretch this out to the max limit', and it waters down the piece. How people vote will all come down to taste.. As whilst you had great flow and structure, with very intelligent and thought provoking references.. It was also very vague. Some will go, 'the fuck was it saying, too arty for me'. Some will go, 'fuck, this person is talented, he made me want to know the answers, even if I didn't get them'. I'm with the second group, but it'll be interesting how people read this. My favourite couple of bars are your opening ones, as boring as that sounds. But you hit the ground running. Set an apocolyptic scene really well.

Battler 19: I think you were the polar opposite to your opposition, in good and bad ways. For the good, your theme was a lot clearer, which makes it easier for a reader to invest. Rather than the picture giving you sporadic thoughts, you saw a clear character to concentrate on, and I enjoyed it. On the negatives, you fell in to the trap of filling the line limit more, but in doing that, some of the lines read as diluted and not as strong - especially towards the end. I think with your clear story, if you have concentrated your great ideas to a shorter but more intense piece, then you could've took this.

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Battler 14. 

I enjoyed this. The alternative evolution theme worked pretty well as an
intepretation of that creature thing in the picture. Started of very intriguing.
The verse got a nice occult vibe going on,and that's always a plus in my book. 
You could perhaps have expanded a bit more here,
but a fresh read nonetheless.
Technically it was sound, nothing spectacular in the rhymng department, 
but steady flow and suitable use of vocab.
Overall, tho a bit lacking in depths, a nice verse that pretty much nailed the topic.

Highlights:

Within the primordial soup, before amphibians walked

A blind design set a course that was given no thought

Then once aligned with the path of all probable cause

Evolution worked with Time an unstoppable force...


From the LUCA. to the future, beyond Apes of abundance

Where we rake up a sustenance, on the wastes of the the tundra





Battler 19

Another occult-ish verse. I guess that's in the nature of picure huh.
There was some nice, darker imagery and descriptions of the creatures background. 
I you did a good job painting a bleak yet interesting picture of the history here.
I think this could have worked perfect as foreshadowing of larger tale, as it felt a
bit abrupt towards the end there.
Technically, flows ok, nice vocab here also but the rhyme solutions was tending towards basic.
Overall, a good intepretation with interesting elements but flawed by abrubt end and simpe rhymes.


Verdict: Pretty even clash here but Battler 14 got this, for being more captivating and sharp bar for bar.
Cool picture btw.


 
 
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14,
This is fiyah. Very concise and the idea expressed themselves perfectly. The flow was pretty much impeccable.Then "once aligned with the path of all probable cause
Evolution worked with Time an unstoppable force..."
Imagery, rhyme, flow was simply dope in that couplet. This verse spoke on the origin and subsequential evolution of man. Lots of quotables. Again, shirt, concise but packed quite a punch.

19,
Very creative. The story told of "fallen stars" very likely aliens teaching culture to people of earth. An idea explored in film, literature and social media. You went about this with very crisp dictions. Rhyme was dope. The flow was good but somewhere in the middle it switched to this jumpy, hesitation flow that disrupted the smooth carry before it. At the end it def locked back up.

This is another hard one. Both of these verses could handle almost everyone an L this round but I can only pick one. With that said I will go with 14. The writing was mature, concise and the deciding factor was the flow. 19 gave a fight tho. Very VERY close!

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Battler 14 Wins 3-1. 
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