Hip Hop Chit Chat: How do rappers fall off?

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   Honestly... It's not a physical thing, it's a skill that should always be there. I just don't understand it. Like, I'm not talking about the one's who fell to addiction or just life problems. But some who have come back. It just makes no sense to me. Nas hasn't fallen off... Em has, but how? Was it his drug addiction? Idk. but rapping is a skill that should always be there, how does anyone get worse. I would mention lil wayne, but he had like two good albums.. IF. Mac miller, he was better a few years ago, now his shit downgraded. HOW? I honestly can't find a good way to explain this, but I'm sure if someone comments I'll be able to explain exactly what I want to prove.

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Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Topic: How do rappers fall off? Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:06am
	Honestly... It's not a physical thing, it's a skill that should always be there. I just don't understand it. Like, I'm not talking about the one's who fell to addiction or just life problems. But some who have come back. It just makes no sense to me. Nas hasn't fallen off... Em has, but how? Was it his drug addiction? Idk. but rapping is a skill that should always be there, how does anyone get worse. I would mention lil wayne, but he had like two good albums.. IF. Mac miller, he was better a few years ago, now his shit downgraded. HOW? I honestly can't find a good way to explain this, but I'm sure if someone comments I'll be able to explain exactly what I want to prove.

levy420 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 22 May 2013 Location: San Antonio TX Status: Offline Points: 3443 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 39-33-4 Form: LWWLLN	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:10am
	Wouldnt this belong in your random thpughts thread doug
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Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:14am
	Naw, not this one. This is for a discussion about rap.

IZIAH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 31 August 2012 Location: alberta, Canada Status: Offline Points: 2041 Audio Rank: Unranked Stats: 2-3-1 Form: WLLWLN	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:15am
	idk understand either but this is completly random bro. :)
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levy420 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 22 May 2013 Location: San Antonio TX Status: Offline Points: 3443 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 39-33-4 Form: LWWLLN	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:16am
	Simple answer we will take nas as a example his first drop illmatic sick as fuck all the way tjrew not a song i wouldnt listen to next two albums few classic tracks rest filler bullshit then stillmatic dropped n it was fire front to back . my take is they start to loose there hunger or it just has to do with there life in general n what there goin threw or if there inspired by something. its like everything ur gonna have ur ups n downs n transitions
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Kiki Spirez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 30 December 2008 Location: Chesterfield Status: Offline Points: 4375 Crew: Kratos Kind Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 68-26-0 Form: WWWWLW	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:17am
	It's not a rap thing, it's anything creative. Being someone who does an 'art' as an actual job, I sympathize with it. It constantly depends on motivation, who you work with, what direction you take, when you decide to swerve to another, etc. I don't stop being a good actor at core, but certain directors bring it out of me more, as well as certain other actors being easier to work with. However, I then run the risk of becoming comfortable/complacent, as well as typecasting myself as a certain thing. But then when I decide to change my environment, it could push me, or it could end up being an experience that dampens my confidence, wastes my time, or makes me enjoy my job less. It's the same with musicians. Any form of art is a constant tightrope walk, where decisions compile to something positive or negative. Pac, Biggie, Kobain and Curtis would've 'fell off' by definition eventually. Things change, ages change, motives change, intentions change, attitudes change, etc.


Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:18am
	I guess so, I was gonna mention their hunger. That doesn't mean that they can't look at what they're writing and think "I've written way better than this shit."

Kiki Spirez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 30 December 2008 Location: Chesterfield Status: Offline Points: 4375 Crew: Kratos Kind Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 68-26-0 Form: WWWWLW	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:26am
	Artists don't see it like that though, cos that's just your opinion as a listener. You don't reach heights with your listener/viewer unless you try things and persevere, because if you just locked yourself away, refusing to release anything to the public unless it was 'similar to your past stuff', then you'd go mental within yourself, and probably do a worse job, an imitation. You like Eminem, so for example, if Eminem had pursued with trying to recreate several SSLP's, instead of changing attitude/style/intention in MMLP and Eminem Show, we wouldn't be hearing of him now, that's for sure. It's easy to criticize when it's a big leap in style, like Em's, due to a crazy circumstance like his drug shit, and him now being a sober 40 year old. But artists make movement all the time.


Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:28am
	I guess so. But I'm saying rappers should be able to top their best work. Don't you think Nas has/had the ability to top Illmatic? It's the effort.

Kiki Spirez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 30 December 2008 Location: Chesterfield Status: Offline Points: 4375 Crew: Kratos Kind Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 68-26-0 Form: WWWWLW	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:34am
	But that's the thing, he'll never make another illmatic, but that's not to say that he won't make stuff that some find as better. Illmatic was Nas at his peak of popularity, it was his stamp on hip hop, his legacy, his influence. But if he ever made a replica to try and outdo that album, it was flop like fuck. However, in a time where he has less power, he might make something in a different direction that inspires this new generation. Nostalgia plays a huge part too. Eminem Show will always be my favourite Eminem album, cos it was my favourite as a kid. Full stop. Every time I listen to it, I think of my childhood, school, my friends, a time where I had no worries, a time where I was just getting serious about music. Eminem could create an utter classic right now. But it will never compare to Eminem Show, not because of anything he's done, but because of me as a listener. It's not all 'effort' or owt like that.


Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:41am
	Eminem show is my favorite too. But I'm not saying Nas would need to copy Illmatic's style. I'm saying that his skill level could've been improved more than where it was already at.

Zinaii Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 15 June 2013 Status: Offline Points: 2957 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-27-10 Form: WLNNNL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:45am
	what exactly is everybodys definition of falling off? no sales? no fanbase any more? wack albums? put this into context for me

Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:48am
	By falling off I mean they went from making really good music to complete shit.

Kiki Spirez Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Superior Member Joined: 30 December 2008 Location: Chesterfield Status: Offline Points: 4375 Crew: Kratos Kind Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 68-26-0 Form: WWWWLW	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:49am
	I don't even believe in 'falling off'. It's a dramatic way of saying 'I don't like their music at the moment'. And it's going to always happen, cos art is subjective. And it plays with an artists mind man. It's like when I have to listen to people that don't act, tell me that an actor that I appreciate, 'can't act'. No other form of work, but ones in art, could you have people being able to slander your knowledge on what you do for a living, because they've formed an opinion.


Zinaii Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 15 June 2013 Status: Offline Points: 2957 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-27-10 Form: WLNNNL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:51am
	yall r kinda hard on em...the dudes had a solid career....hes still better then a majority of rappers out here....hes been under the radar for three years i wouldnt go as far as to say hes putting out wack music now....dmx maybe even tho i hate saying that i really do lol

Zinaii Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 15 June 2013 Status: Offline Points: 2957 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-27-10 Form: WLNNNL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:52am
	and yea nas had his down period in the beginning of his career but he had his fanbase u can really say jayz revived nas...it culd also have to do with promotion and marketing

Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 2:57am
	Dude, I'm not saying Em put out wack music. I liked recovery. I don't get what some of these "hip hop heads" are saying . Recovery wasn't bad at all.

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	when they sell out....

Dougysnuggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 24 June 2013 Location: Click on that v Status: Offline Points: 1972 Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 13-11-5 Form: NWWWWL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 3:25am
	I Don't wanna live here.

Zinaii Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Standard Member Joined: 15 June 2013 Status: Offline Points: 2957 Crew: Tha Syndicate Text Rank: Unranked Stats: 47-27-10 Form: WLNNNL	Posted: 29 August 2013 at 3:27am
	i fukn love recovery on fire? seduction was fuckin SICK them were my two fav songs so i cnt member the rest right now its been a while lol