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    Posted: 16 January 2010 at 3:55pm

Ok, first off, I know the names shit and can be decided later.


Last night I was thinking (yes, it hurt, moving on) and thought an idea of having a Council to run LA.

The idea behind the Council, is to have a select group of people to make decisions on my behalf. This would be made up of 7 people, 4 of whom are picked by myself and 3 are elected by the LA General Public, with "elections" scheduled say 6months or a year.
This would hopefully (1) keep the Council fresh and consist of active members and (2) help reflect LA members.


The Council wouldnt have any powers such as that of moderators and would only make decisions on certain things (eg bannings would still be down to moderators). Also I would have the power to overturn decisions by the Council, but this would be rare.


The idea of a Council rather than being made up of Vets and Mods is that, to be fair, mods and vets are unreliable in terms of activity.


Jobs the Council would be in-charge of would be things such as the Site and Battle Rules, decissions on tournaments. and other decisions I would prefer to move away from.
It could even expand to bigger decisions such as who the moderators are.



Its hard to explain the idea really, but the ultimate goal is for LA to keep functioning without my input and presence.

For example the latest tournament, people posted saying "just waitin for scotty to approve it", which is things i would like to move away from.
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Good idea...think you'd have to iron it out but in principle it seems good
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Originally posted by Cuba Cuba wrote:

Good idea...think you'd have to iron it out but in principle it seems good


hense the reason for the thread.

to get feedback and contributions Wink
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Good idea Scoot, seems like a progressive move for LA . Well done for putting that thinking cap on for once haha
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Definitely something that will help move the site forward. I'm all for it.






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hmmmm i hear what yur saying but ina way it kinda sounds like maybe the mods should jus have more power? ie Where you said "waiting for scotty" why not have any of tha mods be ble to jus go ahead an set stuff up? i mean maybe you could use tha voting system kinda thing ie Kiki or whoever says "can we have a tourney?" an then 1mod will say yes or no then if anyone disagrees maybe have a poll? i dunoooo where im realy going with this i guess theres ups an downs i mean off top of my head say J-Sass an Orion were both members of tha council,What happens with Beef isues? We are bound to get members of tha council that disagree or dislike eachother? And before anyone jumps in with Orioon an Sass aint got beef it was a figure of speach an example if you like...
I dunno tbh jus seems a lil un-needed maybe we jus need another mod or up tha mods power? just my opion if it makes sense
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I stated the reason why I decided on a council rather than mods or vets, their activity is to unreliable. Also, there is currently 2 moderators (3 inc hanging) if one becomes inactive, thats one person running LA how they want. which means I may as well continue on my current role as dictator.

The idea of the council is a step between me and LA members, the council would represent the views of LA members.

Beef would be highly unlikely between council members as they would be respected members of LA who would be mature enough to handle things professionally. At least the 4 members I pick would be.
And if beef does arise, then they would be unfit to be council members. I doubt it would happen, but if it did, then I would relieve them of their position.


The council would decide things by voting, with a majority vote winning. (a bit like battles really). Council members are bound to disagree, and that is the reason for having 7 of them and have them vote. so that there is a wider view represented.
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Yup i get ya know an i guess you jus used some Winston Churchill shyt on me but i understand now an for some strange reason all of a sudden im all for it.....Get It?*


*i had to add that for Cals benifit!LOL
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nice idea in theory
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I guess a couple of questions I have are...

Would the four people you pick just be the mods + 1...doesn't seem to be much point in letting them create mods if it's them deciding themselves - "I'm a rubbish mod" LOL

Note sure if 7 is the right number, I'd probably go for 5...and maybe even consider letting 3 be members, that way you don't just getting the mods overrule everything...

If you want protection then you could maybe let one person you appoint have a deciding vote...so it's 3 'elected' vs. 2 'nominated' then the 'lead council member' can have a "deciding" vote then doubles as a 2nd vote, then his vote tips it...

I dunno, 7 seems a lot...especially when you've got a site that might have 30 members MAX, I guess 7 gives you protection against some people being inactive

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Liek I said, if u really wanna have a council limit it to 3 or 5.
 
I personally think the mods can do all of that.  Take Hangin of lead moderator, he obviously is too busy, move one of the current mods to lead mod, get 2 or 3 other mods.  The standard mods can be the decision makes on LA, The lead mod will pretty much take your spot.  If there are arguments between the mods, the lead mod will be the deciding vote.  You just have to make sure u pick the right mods.  They have to be active and willing to do shit.  If you take Hangin off and put Nep as lead mod, you have kayb, then maybe one other active person.  Those 3 can make all the decisions that will be needed on LA
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it wouldnt be "just the mods + 1" since hanging wouldnt be on the council due to being inactive.
I havent decided who I would chose yet anyway.


5 might be best to start off with thought
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Ha.. but back to topic..  I think havin a council that really has no power is a waste, how will they enforce they decisions if they cant get in touch wit a mod or somethin?

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they could have access to certain features or mod abilities in certain forums - everything but battles n open mic.

failin that they could type in caps so it seems like they have authority
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I would not let the "council" have too much of a say in Site rules as such - the only thing that does need fixing is some of the wording involved.

You would still have to increase permissions for the moderators regarding creating new forums ect..

It is a interesting idea.. But it really has to be a slow burner - and every angle/idea has to be discussed in full. 

I also agree with Stalin - as without certain "powers" the council could be pointless...

Lots to think about.

Oh - and I am still here - I try and check the site for at least an hour daily.  I'm not as busy as I was last year (more organised to be honest)  - also if anyone needs to get hold of me regarding LA business - If i'm online then I will be on MSN.  Can get on here in a sec if needed.

Oh i also deleted the pointless bits that were above - just so we can keep the discussion flowing.

(yes i did mod - related work.. it must be a new year resolution)







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Scotty mentioned a council to make decisions regarding site rules, and allowing tournaments and stuff of that nature..  Well site rules dont need to be changed, mods would be the ones runnin the tournaments, let them decide.  What real purpose would a council serve?  You want ppl who'll be active that can make decisions?  Just get more active mods, atleast they can still close battles, clean up threads, and still be around to make decisions..  So I mean honestly.. what exactly would a council do that the moderators shouldnt do??

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The Council would regulate Moderators' actions without the need to take action themselves...  For example... Mods can ban members for certain offenses or after repeated warnings... but the length of the ban is not predetermined...  If more Mods are required... then the Council can make that decision and appoint new Mods...  One of the roles of the Council could also be to decide on the new tournament schedule... or whether we even follow the schedule or not...

The aim of the Council is to eventually replace Scotty's administrative presence with a representative section of LA...  The Council will be trialled first... then phased in if successful...  The Administrator would still be needed to make structural and coding changes... but the site will not be slowed down due to his inactivity...

Scotty will most likely choose Council members from active members who he can trust to make decisions and who have contributed to LA...  This is pretty much the basis of Veterans and Moderators... though it does not have to be...

I suggested that the Council be made up of all Veterans and Moderators... plus three regular members nominated by LA to represent the site...  Not all Council members will be active at any one time... but there will always be enough of them active to make any informed decision...  Allowing one member of the Council to have the deciding vote on matters would be to replace one dictator with another...

As said before... there are a lot of creases to be ironed out...

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I think the idea of the Council is to give the general membership a voice in the decisions that the site takes...rather than the Mods having all the power & basically appointing people they are cool with to be mods, and not running tourneys because they can't be bothered, etc.

It seems pretty obvious that if Scotty nominates 3 people, at least two of those are going to be Mods...if not 3, but I don't see the council's job as being to do what the Mods do...so there isn't really a clash there. Mods police the rules, close battles, run tourneys...effectively are the administrative hand in LA. 

It's like the board structure at a company, you get exec directors who are the actually managers of the company (Mods) and then non-execs who basically oversee what the exec board is doing and take part in decision making. 

Seems like the same premise, and it seems to work for companies...so why not for LA Geek



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would the council also deicde on things like site battles? cause that would be cool, i kno scoots alyways been against it, but are the council gunna be told to run shit how scot wud like, or with their own minds..
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Scotty can still play the veto
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