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NepentheZ 
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 Topic: old or new?Posted: 04 November 2004 at 5:34am |
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yo, i love old skool hip hop, like pac pun, big, meth, wu tang, uno tha norm, but im not really feelin all this new shit, mtv base is becoming more like mtv hits!!! they got a mtv dance an shit, so y not mtv hip hop?? the new "hip pop"
 artists are wack an any one of us on this site could make music like that!!infact i got some tunes that are better than tha shit played on MTV!!! anyway,, gimme sum feedback yo
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:42am |
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I dont really listen to "Main Stream" Tho Luda, Royce ect are dope emcees... I mainly listen 2 "Underground" eg...Wiley, Monarch, XL, Klash, Crazy Titch ect ect ect ect...There are loads... But Agreed im SICK of Hoes, Money, Cris and Cars... |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:46am |
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am not into the 'old' stuff my self - dont like pac, dont like biggie..
i listen to xzibit, D12, dmx, obie trice, (1 or 2 g-unit, but the rest suck) all that kinda stuff i like, but thats not really on MTV Base, cose they have like Kanye West and Twista and Cassidy and all them other "oooh am so rich look at ma doe"  but i agree - MTV Base sucks these days, yr ago it was good, but it just sucks all these 'hip pop' crap |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:49am |
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Wiley, Crazy Titch u joking ?
there what gives british hip hop a bad name |
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bad boy 4 life biggie smalls was the illest |
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NepentheZ
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:50am |
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yea fo sure, but dmx is old school son, yea hes gone mainstream now because thats all that left fo him, but him an tha rr crew make gd tunes, an even a year ago base was wack, tha first 2-3 years it was kool, an tha lick chart is basically tha same as tha top o tha pops!! lol.. but tec u right, money cars girls houses an all that shit is SO played out, but MTV base got props fo ONE thing nowadays "PIMP MA RIDE" tha show is legendary, even though its on regular mtv now too!!!
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 6:56am |
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lmfao, Pac and Biggie are old school?! Uhhhhhh. Oldskool: Eric B and Rakim, KRS-One, Kane, Public Enemy, etc... Given my fave rappers are Chino, Big L/Pun, Pharoahe, etc... I'd say my preference is nearer to old than new, though I do respect all the oldskool MCs it's not my immediate preference... Pac and Biggie was known as the golden era... not oldskool, as Pac and Biggie did not invent or initiate the Hip Hop movement, they just escalated it to pop culture, which has turned out to be a bad thing for the music... I hate it when people get it twisted... So yeah my favourites are the late-90s rappers really, and people like Chino, Royce and Pharoahe are still around, as well as underground MCs like Immortal Technique, UK stuff like Roots Manuva, stuff on the net like Chin Check, Neek, Intro, Marxmen, One Der... Good Hip Hop is everywhere... even today... just gotta look for it now... 1 |
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me They didn't mean it Nah . . . |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:01am |
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orion i did understand that they werent old skool but i knew that tha peeps would know who i meant if i put that, but tha real old school isnt that great uno. an underground hip hop has been around for AGES, way b4 u would eva know, theres a rapper called ed harrison, hes dead now but he was spiitin lyrics like back in tha 70s, there wack but he was still there!!
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:11am |
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One: the real oldskool is great; it made Hip Hop - I struggle to see how people who like modern Hip Hop can't appreciate the oldskool on some level. Two: way before I'd know? Well yeah, I wasn't around in the 70s but I know about Hip Hop's history so uh... yeah. |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:14am |
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the beat hip hop = tomorrow's hip hop
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Insert something rappy here
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:14am |
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ok ok, for ur one, i HATE modern hip hop, its shit, its ALL tha same jus wiv different faces same tunes same words, hell some of dem tha same songs just sung by different peeps, an ur two, i werent around den either, lol, i just heard from a friend that this guy was the first "rapper", an i dun claim to be a book o knoledge on hip hop history, but i know a bit too.....
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:22am |
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^^
 am not to bothered with the history - so i just listen and like (or dislike)i dont go into big deep thoughts about it, i mean if i like a song - i like it, if i dont i dont simple eh? (b4 anyone says it, yes history is important, and it affects the future bla bla bla, but i cant be arsed going researching it all - its Music, its designed to be enjoyed ) |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:23am |
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i dont hate modern hip hop it is human nature to look back and says that time was better it happens in football and all sports too. i think cassidy is very good at what he does he makes sick party tunes what about em he still around and lyrical, banks is not bad either, kanyes bringing something new to the game he is as orginal as they come, this bias against modern hip hop is unfair scorpia king you may diss 50 cent all the site do but many to not understand the skill he has to have a tight flow let alone lyrics, biggies my fav yeah but im not above saying i like new stuff props cassidy props lloyd banks nas is still doing his thing respect them all
so lets look forward not backwards |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:24am |
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That's fair enough, you treat music as enjoyment, I treat it as an art form.
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:26am |
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fair dues orion but why is what cassidy does not an art form his flow is sick i respect that i respect a lot of mcs no need gor hate even diddy can flow check best friend before you hate, and making money is not evil, shooting them for it is,
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:30am |
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My post was to Scotty not you... my bad on the timin' of the post. Anyway... I agree wit' what you sayin'. When I'm at college or a club I'm not ashamed to admit I have no problem listenin' to clubbish stuff, that's what it's made for. I'd never buy commercial/Hip-Pop artists' CDs though, and I'd never discuss or follow the artists as they don't concern me, as long as they put music out that will be on in the club and do its job there that's all commercial rap is to me. |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:31am |
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but thats surley still a art form ?
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:31am |
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^ Which is why I could never tell you who did what song or where the lyrics came from or when it was released or who's on it etc etc etc as I don't pay attention to that, I just listen to it when it's on in the right atmosphere.
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:34am |
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is jay z commercial ?
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:35am |
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lol... we're gettin' all our posts mixed up. Yeah it's still an art form of course, just a very basic one, anyway when I made the art form comment I was talkin' to Scotty not you... And my point then was that he listens to music just for what sounds good and what he enjoys. Of course I wouldn't listen to somethin' that sounds bad or that I don't enjoy, but the fact is I'm willin' to give more obscure and lyrical stuff more of an open ear instead of jus' sayin' I don't like it. As Hip Hop or music in general isn't about immediate entertainment or satisfaction for me... it's art, and the more complex, deep, specialist, etc that it is, the more there is to appreciate. Again that ain't to say the more complex the better, preferance and skill are two very different things but my preference lies primarily in skill whereas Scotty's for example lies mainly in stylistic elements, how it sounds etc. I'll stop there for now... |
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Posted: 04 November 2004 at 7:36am |
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Is Jay Z commercial? Well people like him, Nas, Biggie, Pac - they're all commercially successful but not really rappin' for the commercial appeal necessarily. Though I feel Jigga did fall off a bit as did Pac, but they still kept their stuff real on the most part.
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