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It may be aimed at me, wether it is or not... aim it all you want, cuz it AINT true. I voted on who I thought won...
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ok so yeah this "brother" line is controversial.

but can we keep the swaying outta here - especially due to the controversy of the line, so just let people make up their own minds and vote how they see fit.

if ya wanna bitch an moan then go to the shit talk thread - hense the reason for it.

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ok ive read it thru..here comes a breakdown

orion

You got it in fa me 'cuz you jealous of the infamy
But ya country's ALREADY SAID thatchu a FREE WIN fa me!

i think this is ok.. it would be better if you named who said it though. in fa me/infamy is clever too, nice touch

It's tru, and he got a thing fa me, we seen it's blatant
Hell he couldn't be TooSmooth about shit as a kemo patient

lol. not that great a diss, but its funny

STILL bitchin' 'bout gettin' kicked, this fake's enraged
A west coast faggot trippin', kinda like The Game on stage

again not that great a diss but its funny and its topical

Ya crew's embarrassed, you're outta control
Gettin' publicly fucked so much you'll end up like Anna Nicole

thats hard. ive heard a few lines about her but none like that. nice

Type to diss lyin' outcha ass, it's evident, look
You couldn't pull sickness outta there if you were President Bush

lol..this is very witty to me, even though its not that great a diss

You'll probly say I ducked Kon like I ain't kill him before
See you're predictably played wit' a soft touch like bitches in sports

thats pretty good. ive read xxplosive verse in the battle field where he said shav is kon's real name? and 2s does mention shav lol. so this is very very good just for being true..haha nice

Cryin' in denial, just face it that I'm boss
Like Willie Lamond when we'll see ya diss-located with a loss

i saw highlights of the fight..haha, a little bit of a stretch with the word play but it's decent

Everythin' you have'll be played, this kid ain't hard
US goin' down the Slope to death like this was 'Nam

i saw a nam line in the other battle too..plus again this is a bit of a stretch as a diss, but not bad

Call yaself Smooth but you lyin' sucka
'Cuz this motherfucker's run down and dead already, just like his brother

thats cold..haha "oh shit" line, def a ko punch, hits hard

Now you dead too, ya mother's cryin' in shame
Sayin' I'm the son she never had, killin' it instead of dyin' in vain

also very cold..not so much of a punch but very disrespectful and a hard enough note to end on

2smooth

Claimed he left... but quickly ran back guardin' his spot
...How's O 360 degrees, but still the farthest from hot?

no one really associates "O" with 360 degrees do they..so its a bit of a stretch. nonetheless i do like the wordplay a LOT. best one of the battle i think, nice line
 
think you're 'dope'... but really you're one of the worst around
'cuz you're only an 'O' - even in the U.K. you aren't worth a 'pound'!

nice..relevant, not much of a diss though

an' You ain't structured, but you swear ya' rhymes are proper
Lawyer my fuckin' ass! Even JUDAS denied your offer!!!

i think this is bad..relies way too heavily on an explanation and even then its a stretch. and from what ive read he did get the guy off the team, then let him back on..so its basically the opposite

i'll make ya' suffer... the truth is ya flow stinks
you and dope is like ya crew page, homie... there's no link!

not bad..not good either though

PUSSY... you ducked Shav again because you know he'd fold ya
but now this 'former heavyweight' is gettin' shot like James Oyebola

again reaching a bit for me. kinda like his willy lamond line, both a bit of a stretch, and yeah he pre-empted your setup as well
  
you 'may weather' under these shots when they destroy ya'...
'cuz your punches are outta their prime... like De La Hoya!!!

thats hot..may-weather too..yea i like that a lot
 
man, you suck! you're just a bitch, so i'ma leave you smacked, chump...
chose ya' nickname from a star 'cuz all you'll ever be is "gassed-up"!!!

clever..hard... i like a lot..lines get a little long tho

...doesn't that suck?? everyone see's that i'm smashin' Sul...
you wack fuck! your style's like ya' name... it's a MASSIVE HOLE!!

lol..you too focused on his initial..the simile is weak..kills the line imo

i'll bash ya' skull quick and let ya' mind disolve slow...
'cuz you claim your a leader yet i'm makin' ya' FALL, O!! (follow)

like this line quite a lot..thou like someone said i saw mcwoods use the same shit in his battle. but you did it better
 
he says that the site is dying? well now i'm breakin' this ho...
...L.A. is FINE... it's common to have a NEGATIVE O!!!!!

the wordplay is hot, the actual diss is ok

 

overall.

best battle ive seen here. 2smooth had some hot wordplay but then some was too much of a stretch..and at points there was no strong diss. orion dissed considerably more, and when he didnt diss as hard he had more funny/witty parts to it to make up for it. whereas 2smooths wordplay..tho clever..didnt really do it for me every time and he had a couple misses. orion's was generally worded better and had better flow to it too.. so yeah

vote orion

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2007 at 2:41pm
Uppin this shit...(and since this is a close battle, lets have someone experienced vote this and not some newb or herb...)
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More votes, anyone?
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Orion : This first bar was ok, but you really didn't have any proof of it, shoulda had a link or somethin'. Second bar was ok again, nothing that made me say "wow". Third bar i thought was sick...lmao @ the game. The Anna Nicole wasn't that great. The fifth bar was funny haha.

Again with the sixth bar, it was kinda weak. The Willie Lamond bar was dope, i really liked that one. Do hard and Nam really rhyme? No.. i didn't think so, which is why i didn't really like this bar.

the next one was real low... i didnt like it at all..Last bar wasn't even a punch...Overall your verse was really basic and a lot of shit could have been fixed up to be of any effect.

 

Smooth : Opener was sick...nice wordplay..Second bar was a dope concept and an effective hit.The next bar was also dope wordplay.. i see alot of it in this verse. The no link punch was ill.

The next bar was alright, a good punch and meta, same with the next bar. I really liked the "gassed-up" line..haha real creative smooth. I didnt really get it when you said his style is like a massive hole, so i dunno about that one. "Fall, O" line was sick, i liked that one a lot.

The closer was killer. Over all i think smooth came A LOT harder, better punches, word play, you name it. Which is why he's getting my vote.

My vote goes to 2Smooth for kickin' ass... good battle boys, i enjoyed this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 11:56am

thank you for voting, Smart Alikk... and ^while it appears that you broke down what you liked and did not liked from each verse, it is apparently not in depth enough for the liking of Orion an' will therefore he will try to make your vote not count unless you explain it a little more... so, for everyone's sake, please elaborate...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 12:50pm

fuck that, I already voted fairly, if he doesn't like it then that's his problem

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 2:20pm
More explanation please Smart - a battle like this deserves the depth and explanations...

talked to O and 2s about this.


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Orion

You got it in fa me 'cuz you jealous of the infamy
But ya country's ALREADY SAID thatchu a FREE WIN fa me!

flow was on point, punch was decent, coulda been harder i reckon...disagree? don't bother, we both know you can beat this if u try.

It's tru, and he got a thing fa me, we seen it's blatant
Hell he couldn't be TooSmooth about shit as a kemo patient

flow fell off a little bit to me, punch was nice though

STILL bitchin' 'bout gettin' kicked, this fake's enraged
A west coast faggot trippin', kinda like The Game on stage

flow came back. i've seen that same punch worded differently about a million times though ....
 
Ya crew's embarrassed, you're outta control
Gettin' publicly fucked so much you'll end up like Anna Nicole

that flow was shaky at best man, what's goin on? punch was aite, kinda fillery to me.

Type to diss lyin' outcha ass, it's evident, look
You couldn't pull sickness outta there if you were President Bush

flow back on point. punch was nice, funny too LOL

You'll probly say I ducked Kon like I ain't kill him before
See you're predictably played wit' a soft touch like bitches in sports

lol kinda played punch but done well, flow was tight

Cryin' in denial, just face it that I'm boss
Like Willie Lamond when we'll see ya diss-located with a loss

flow was good. punch was...meh...ok, u got better

Everythin' you have'll be played, this kid ain't hard
US goin' down the Slope to death like this was 'Nam

plaaayyyeed. come on O, you know you better than this. flow was fine.

Call yaself Smooth but you lyin' sucka
'Cuz this motherfucker's run down and dead already, just like his brother

dope punch, i don't care what everyone else says about it, THIS is a personal. actually gettin personal is how battlin should be done.

Now you dead too, ya mother's cryin' in shame
Sayin' I'm the son she never had, killin' it instead of dyin' in vain

a bit fillery, not a great closer

flow: 3/5
punches: 3/5
technique :3/5

overall: 9/15

2Smooth

Claimed he left... but quickly ran back guardin' his spot
...How's O 360 degrees, but still the farthest from hot?
 
flow was nice, pretty good punch, a little bit forced with the obscurity of the play, but nice.
 
think you're 'dope'... but really you're one of the worst around
'cuz you're only an 'O' - even in the U.K. you aren't worth a 'pound'!

decentish play, flow stumbled slightly in the second line, not bad punch

an' You ain't structured, but you swear ya' rhymes are proper
Lawyer my fuckin' ass! Even JUDAS denied your offer!!!

LOL, that was a nice bar.

i'll make ya' suffer... the truth is ya flow stinks
you and dope is like ya crew page, homie... there's no link!

filler punch. flow was nice though

PUSSY... you ducked Shav again because you know he'd fold ya
but now this 'former heavyweight' is gettin' shot like James Oyebola

hmm yeah aite, this was decent. flow was good

you 'may weather' under these shots when they destroy ya'...
'cuz your punches are outta their prime... like De La Hoya!!!
 
pretty good, not good enough to justify all those exclamations though. flow again was on point

man, you suck! you're just a bitch, so i'ma leave you smacked, chump...
chose ya' nickname from a star 'cuz all you'll ever be is "gassed-up"!!!

played punch, flow was tight, maybe save the exclamation overdose for dope bars

...doesn't that suck?? everyone see's that i'm smashin' Sul...
you wack fuck! your style's like ya' name... it's a MASSIVE HOLE!!

haha, liked that one actually, i won't criticise the exclamations there. flow again, spot on
 
i'll bash ya' skull quick and let ya' mind disolve slow...
'cuz you claim your a leader yet i'm makin' ya' FALL, O!!

pure filler punch. flow was on point again
 
he says that the site is dying? well now i'm breakin' this ho...
...L.A. is FINE... it's common to have a NEGATIVE O!!!!!

ok closer, decent personal/nameplay, flow was good. maybe 3 less exclamations for this one though :P

flow: 4/5
punches: 3.5/5
technique: 4/5

overall: 11.5/15

Conclusion

Orion, this was one of the worst verses i've ever seen from you (i'm Tigger by the way.) Flow was a mess, punches (excepting the brother one, which was dope) were decent at best. Overall I was dissapointed with your performance. 2Smooth, you had some decent punches, flow was on point (if a bit basic.) there were some bars which could have come from a tight battle verse, but you peppered the rest of the verse with filler. Overall though, Smooth came with better flow, better wordplay, and better punches. I never thought I'd say this in one of O's battles, but I think 2smooth took this fairly easy.

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Big O : 9/15
Mr Smooth: 11.5/15

My Vote goes to 2Smooth

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 2:52pm

Tigger...hahaha oh shit what up...yeah well umm, though three people from the competing countries form a panel who were allowed to vote (Kay B, Nep, Flash) the rest can't be from UK/US...so ya vote doesn't stand...go figure...the setup is a bit of a shambles, but it is what it is

. . . Now who said they fuckin' with me?
They just said that FUCKIN' with me
They didn't mean it
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You got it in fa me 'cuz you jealous of the infamy
But ya country's ALREADY SAID thatchu a FREE WIN fa me!

this was a good punch, nice wordplay. it flowed nice as well...

 

It's tru, and he got a thing fa me, we seen it's blatant
Hell he couldn't be TooSmooth about shit as a kemo patient

I don't really understand the set-up... but the second line was comical, didnt really flow as i read it though.

 

STILL bitchin' 'bout gettin' kicked, this fake's enraged
A west coast faggot trippin', kinda like The Game on stage

Good punch i really liked that one, i thought it was funny lol

 

Ya crew's embarrassed, you're outta control
Gettin' publicly fucked so much you'll end up like Anna Nicole

A decent punch i guess, flowed nicely...

 

Type to diss lyin' outcha ass, it's evident, look
You couldn't pull sickness outta there if you were President Bush

Clever, good punch and it made me laugh lol

 

You'll probly say I ducked Kon like I ain't kill him before
See you're predictably played wit' a soft touch like bitches in sports

I thought it was kinda weak.. or maybe i just didnt get it?

 

Cryin' in denial, just face it that I'm boss
Like Willie Lamond when we'll see ya diss-located with a loss

This was a sick punch/ word play... i really liked it, and it flowed good as i read it. I never did see the fight tho...

 

Everythin' you have'll be played, this kid ain't hard
US goin' down the Slope to death like this was 'Nam

This bar has potential...the thing that threw me off the most was that 'hard' and 'nam' dont rhyme what so ever.

 

Call yaself Smooth but you lyin' sucka
'Cuz this motherfucker's run down and dead already, just like his brother

It was a good punch but...it was a low-blow thats why i didnt like it to much..I thought you were better than that Orion.

 

Now you dead too, ya mother's cryin' in shame
Sayin' I'm the son she never had, killin' it instead of dyin' in vain

It flowed well an all but i felt you didnt really hit smooth to hard with it..

2 Smooth:

 

Claimed he left... but quickly ran back guardin' his spot
...How's O 360 degrees, but still the farthest from hot?

This was a sick punch/wordplay..could of flowed better..but very effective

 

think you're 'dope'... but really you're one of the worst around
'cuz you're only an 'O' - even in the U.K. you aren't worth a 'pound'!

yet another dope punch/wordplay.. it flowed nicely

 

an' You ain't structured, but you swear ya' rhymes are proper
Lawyer my fuckin' ass! Even JUDAS denied your offer!!!

A personal punch that flowed good ..it was slick in my opinion

 

i'll make ya' suffer... the truth is ya flow stinks
you and dope is like ya crew page, homie... there's no link!

Sick punch smooth... thats killer. couldn't have flowed any better.

 

PUSSY... you ducked Shav again because you know he'd fold ya
but now this 'former heavyweight' is gettin' shot like James Oyebola

A personal and a punch all in one.. sick flow as i read and the jame oyebola line was sick

 

you 'may weather' under these shots when they destroy ya'...
'cuz your punches are outta their prime... like De La Hoya!!!

Flowed nicely, and the punch landed hard. Good shit smooth...

 

man, you suck! you're just a bitch, so i'ma leave you smacked, chump...
chose ya' nickname from a star 'cuz all you'll ever be is "gassed-up"!!!

Again, this was clever wordplay and a hard hitting punch... i was like wow

 

...doesn't that suck?? everyone see's that i'm smashin' Sul...
you wack fuck! your style's like ya' name... it's a MASSIVE HOLE!!

Not really that great of a punch because i really didnt understand who a style could be like a massive hole... flowed good though.

 

i'll bash ya' skull quick and let ya' mind disolve slow...
'cuz you claim your a leader yet i'm makin' ya' FALL, O!! (follow)

Sick punch, and real creative wordplay.

 

he says that the site is dying? well now i'm breakin' this ho...
...L.A. is FINE... it's common to have a NEGATIVE O!!!!!

This was an alright punch, i felt you could have set it up a bit better? anyways flowed nicely, and it was a good finisher.

 

Vote: 2Smooth.... I felt that Orion "half-assed" some of his stuff,( not that it was bad because a lot of it was sick ) because a lot of it wasn't really as hard hitting and as affective as Smooths, . 2S has some real creative punches/wordplay...all of his shit flowed nicely as i read it. Only thing that i stumbled on was the "massive hole" line..

so 2Smooth GMV

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 2:57pm
ah well, my vote doesn't stand...don't matter. I got to say orion lost anyway (and i wasn't stoned and mistaken this time O ;))
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 3:02pm
Yea erybody got their opinion, I dunno what to tell ya that wouldn't be classified as "swaying"
 
I'm assumin' all the votes stand now they're all explained, that's 4-3 Smooth, keep it movin'
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They just said that FUCKIN' with me
They didn't mean it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 August 2007 at 3:05pm

thx for the vote tig... even tho' it don't count lol...

BUT... looks like Smart explained his shit in more depth... so, barring any complaining/ whining that makes it 4-3
 
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You got it in fa me 'cuz you jealous of the infamy
But ya country's ALREADY SAID thatchu a FREE WIN fa me!

this was a good punch, nice wordplay. it flowed nice as well...

 

It's tru, and he got a thing fa me, we seen it's blatant
Hell he couldn't be TooSmooth about shit as a kemo patient

I don't really understand the set-up... but the second line was comical, didnt really flow as i read it though.

 

STILL bitchin' 'bout gettin' kicked, this fake's enraged
A west coast faggot trippin', kinda like The Game on stage

Good punch i really liked that one, i thought it was funny lol

 

Ya crew's embarrassed, you're outta control
Gettin' publicly fucked so much you'll end up like Anna Nicole

A decent punch i guess, flowed nicely...

 

Type to diss lyin' outcha ass, it's evident, look
You couldn't pull sickness outta there if you were President Bush

Clever, good punch and it made me laugh lol

 

You'll probly say I ducked Kon like I ain't kill him before
See you're predictably played wit' a soft touch like bitches in sports

I thought it was kinda weak.. or maybe i just didnt get it?

 

Cryin' in denial, just face it that I'm boss
Like Willie Lamond when we'll see ya diss-located with a loss

This was a sick punch/ word play... i really liked it, and it flowed good as i read it. I never did see the fight tho...

 

Everythin' you have'll be played, this kid ain't hard
US goin' down the Slope to death like this was 'Nam

This bar has potential...the thing that threw me off the most was that 'hard' and 'nam' dont rhyme what so ever.

 

Call yaself Smooth but you lyin' sucka
'Cuz this motherfucker's run down and dead already, just like his brother

It was a good punch but...it was a low-blow thats why i didnt like it to much..I thought you were better than that Orion.

 

Now you dead too, ya mother's cryin' in shame
Sayin' I'm the son she never had, killin' it instead of dyin' in vain

It flowed well an all but i felt you didnt really hit smooth to hard with it..

2 Smooth:

 

Claimed he left... but quickly ran back guardin' his spot
...How's O 360 degrees, but still the farthest from hot?

This was a sick punch/wordplay..could of flowed better..but very effective

 

think you're 'dope'... but really you're one of the worst around
'cuz you're only an 'O' - even in the U.K. you aren't worth a 'pound'!

yet another dope punch/wordplay.. it flowed nicely

 

an' You ain't structured, but you swear ya' rhymes are proper
Lawyer my fuckin' ass! Even JUDAS denied your offer!!!

A personal punch that flowed good ..it was slick in my opinion

 

i'll make ya' suffer... the truth is ya flow stinks
you and dope is like ya crew page, homie... there's no link!

Sick punch smooth... thats killer. couldn't have flowed any better.

 

PUSSY... you ducked Shav again because you know he'd fold ya
but now this 'former heavyweight' is gettin' shot like James Oyebola

A personal and a punch all in one.. sick flow as i read and the jame oyebola line was sick

 

you 'may weather' under these shots when they destroy ya'...
'cuz your punches are outta their prime... like De La Hoya!!!

Flowed nicely, and the punch landed hard. Good shit smooth...

 

man, you suck! you're just a bitch, so i'ma leave you smacked, chump...
chose ya' nickname from a star 'cuz all you'll ever be is "gassed-up"!!!

Again, this was clever wordplay and a hard hitting punch... i was like wow

 

...doesn't that suck?? everyone see's that i'm smashin' Sul...
you wack fuck! your style's like ya' name... it's a MASSIVE HOLE!!

Not really that great of a punch because i really didnt understand who a style could be like a massive hole... flowed good though.

 

i'll bash ya' skull quick and let ya' mind disolve slow...
'cuz you claim your a leader yet i'm makin' ya' FALL, O!! (follow)

Sick punch, and real creative wordplay.

 

he says that the site is dying? well now i'm breakin' this ho...
...L.A. is FINE... it's common to have a NEGATIVE O!!!!!

This was an alright punch, i felt you could have set it up a bit better? anyways flowed nicely, and it was a good finisher.

 

Vote: 2Smooth.... I felt that Orion "half-assed" some of his stuff,( not that it was bad because a lot of it was sick ) because a lot of it wasn't really as hard hitting and as affective as Smooths, . 2S has some real creative punches/wordplay...all of his shit flowed nicely as i read it. Only thing that i stumbled on was the "massive hole" line..

so 2Smooth GMV

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2007 at 12:14pm

hmmmm.... ummm.... yeah....

so i guess O an' Sparta asked Ikon to see if it was cool if Woods votes on this battle, even tho' he's from the UK, they think he'd be fair...
...isn't swordedstyles aka Tigger from the UK, too?
is he not a fair voter? 'cuz i coulda sworn he voted... but it was dissallowed seein' as he was from the UK...
now i don't mind Woods votin', 'cuz i think he's fair an' unbiased as well... but if that's how it's gonna go down, why would you not want to allow ya' man Tig's vote to count? hmmm....
 
seems kinda weird to me, but keep it goin'...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2007 at 12:23pm

actually, fuck it... if you honestly don't think Tig is a fair voter, then say that... otherwise, if he IS a fair voter, then why did you dissallow his but then ask another from the UK to vote?

i would like this to be explained a little... thanks...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2007 at 3:56pm
woods cant vote, hes from Northern Ireland, which, i thought was part of the United Kingdom, which, is battling the United States of America.

though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, or if not physically being attached to England acctually makes a difference?
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I Thought Northern Ireland Werent Part Of The UK?
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